Friday Photo: Hoylake Parish Church

parish churchAnother fab photo from the Syd Bird image library (thanks Syd) !

This old image shows the Hoylake Parish Church that was in Trinity Road (formerly Church Road). This photo ties-in with this weeks other news item about the cemetery gates. I mentioned in that post that the terraced houses have a name plaque of Church View – you can see those very houses in the background of this photo. Was the church also known as Trinity Church?

A few readers have now informed me that Hoylake Parish Church was demolished the 1970′s as it was deemed to be structually unsound. I’ve just had a read of one of the books I’ve got from the library and a demolition year of 1976 is given. I gather that the Social Club stands on the site of the old vicarage. There must be many more photos of this old church in the backs of drawers and under beds.

But do you know anything about the tunnel that may have existed in the church grounds?

Sometime next week I’ll publish another Syd Bird photo of the also demolished chapel that used to be on the corner of Market Street and Chapel Road.

Comments

  1. Peter Wilson says

    I remember a story about a tunnel but no idea if it was true!

    It was a sad and, most likely, avoidable day when the church came down. The bell was left in the rubble and was saved by the Hoylake Outdoor Pool Trust who took it into safe keeping. It ended up being donated for use in another Cheshire church in, I think, Wyebunbury.

    I still have a Book of Common Prayer and 2 copies of Hymns Ancient & Modern which I rescued from the rubble.

    • Leo Simmons says

      I remember walking past the demolition on Trinity Road as a boy and being astonished that churches were ever knocked down…up until then I suppose I thought they just quietly crumbled into ruins…a bit of an eye-opener!

  2. Bernie Watts says

    The bell that rang in the tower did so every Sunday throughout my childhood and young adulthood. I can still hear it now, in my memory.

    At a weekend the bell announced Sunday, when that meant something, and was the only sound to be heard by people on their way to church, in the otherwise quiet and respectful silence that was Sunday.

    My mum told me that the bell was contibuted to and paid for from donations by the people of Hoylake and that when that beautiful Church was finally knocked down, the incmbent vicar went off to his new parish, taking the bell with him.

    Bernie
    Watts

    • val ward (maddocks) says

      are you bernie watts from hoylake whos sister is lynn, you may not remember me, from lee road i had a brother philip.
      regards val

      • Bernie Watts says

        Yep thats me Val, I have a memory of you, but I remember Phil very well. I’ve lived in Canada for the last 36 years but still have fond memories od School Lane, poor as we were.

        David lives in West Kirby and Lynn is somewhere in WAles.

        Regards
        Bernie

        Ontario
        Canada

          • Les Cain says

            Hi Jane my name is LesCain your dad Ian Mackie was my best man 49years ago both myself and my wife Irene were very friendly with both your dad and your mum Sylvia but lost contact for over 40years but met Ian at the Concourse West Kirby by accident hope to get in touch later in the year.

      • says

        Hi Val & Bernie, what years are you talking about? My Mother Dorothy BARLOW lived at number 5 Lee Road, Hoylake. I, and two of my siblings was born there during the war, I remember visiting my Granparents Peg & Willie BARLOW when I was a bit older, after the war ended. My Father came from West Derby and moved us to Liverpool from where we moved to Australia in 1951.

        Kind Regards, Anne.

        • Val Ward nee Maddocks says

          Hello Anne,
          We lived at no 1 Lee Road , I was born there, my Mum was slim and blonde my dad a postman, I had an adopted brother Philip.
          I remember the name Barlow was it Don Barlow, I cannot remember the ladies name you say Dorothy the same as my Mum, but vaguely remember them going to Australia it was a very big decision back then. You will remeber the Lawrences. Barbara the daughter worked at the laundry at the bottom of the road. Again the Mum and Dads name i cant recall but would know it if someone spoke it. The brumfitts Rene Joice and Enid and do you remember the johnsons i think no 13, Sandra & Wendy, Audrey and Don the parents, sadly Sandra died. Sorry not replied before only just came across this, I still live in Hoylake. If it is of any interest do you remember the Beeches from newton road. David Diane and 2 older children. also the Lindfields of whom Chris Boardman gold medal cyclist fame is the son of Carol Lindfield and Stan Boardman. well both Mrs lindfield and mrs Beech bless them are still alive both 90 odd years now.
          would love to hear from you Val

          • diane hind says

            Val wasnt Lesley and John Cooksons Grandma a Barlow too, I seem to remember we kids called her Mrs Barlow or am I wrong??? if so any relation???

            Cheers Diane

          • Gail Brumfitt says

            Hi

            My family lived in Lee Road at one stage No. 11 I think. I have a photo of my Mum and her brother and sisters with David Beech. We moved to Australia in 1977. We are related to the Joyce, Edith and Irene mentioned.

            Regards
            Gail Brumfitt

          • Gordon Evans says

            Val wrote :- ‘….also the Lindfields of whom Chris Boardman gold medal cyclist fame is the son of Carol Lindfield and Stan Boardman’.
            I could well be wrong in this, Val, but I have Chris Boardman (my 5th cousin once removed) in my family tree as the son of Keith Boardman and Olive C Lindfield, who were both born in 1940 (the same year as myself).
            My connection to the family is via Olive’s grandmother Margaret Ellen ECCLES (b1881 Hoose) – the fifth of ten daughters to John ECCLES (b1843 Hoose) and Martha Ann SHERLOCK (b1849 Hoose).
            John was first cousin to the fisherman of the same name.(and born in the same year but in Liverpool) who was lost from the ELLEN & ANNE in the Great Storm of December 1894, as mentioned elsewhere in this thread.

          • diane hind says

            Gordon

            the C in Olive C Lindfield stands for Carol, Carol was named after my godmother Olive Lindfield married to Albert, so yes Val is right she is Chris’s mum

            Cheers Diane

          • Gordon Evans says

            Hi Dianne

            Your godmother presumably being Margaret Olive nee PARKS (b1916 Hoylake), daughter of John PARKS and Margaret Ellen ECCLES?
            I wasn’t querying the fact that (Olive) Carol LINDFIELD is Chris BOARDMAN’s mother, by the way – rather that his father’s name is Keith, not Stan.
            Gordon

          • diane hind says

            Sorry Gordon I missed that bit where you was querying the Stan, but you are correct Aunty Ols name was Parks, so you are right that Margaret was her mum as well., She is now 93 and doing well,
            Lovely lady is my godmother

            Cheers Diane

          • Gordon Evans says

            Hi again, Diane

            If Margaret Olive PARK (b1916 Hoylake) if your aunt as well as your godmother then I believe you and I are 5th cousins. :-)

            Best wishes
            Gordon

          • diane hind says

            Hiya Gordon,

            No we arent related at least i don’t think so, i call my Godmother Aunty as we all lived in the same road and in those days all front doors where open and it was a good community spirit, I spent a lot of time when i was little in her house talking to the parrot, Olives brother Ted was also my godfather

            Cheers Diane

          • Stan Cookson says

            Lesley and John Cooksons mums maiden name was Lily Barlow she was Married to Isaac cookson so their Grandmother on their mums side would have been Mrs Barlow.

        • alan roberts says

          Hi i remember two boys from number five lee rd billy and rob i think they moved to australiain the seventys, they lved nextdoor to the mcdonald family

          • LynJohnston says

            Hi Gordon

            I have Margaret Ellen Eccles b 21.9.1881 in Hoylake & married to a John Parks in 1901. I dont have any children or grandchildren for her or Johns details… Margaret being the daughter of John Eccles & Martha ann Sherlock & 1 of 10 daughters…. Michael Eccles b 1807 is my connection
            Can you help me with some more details there…
            Are you in the Hoylake area now ?

        • Ricky Cooper says

          Hello Ann,
          BARLOW and COOPER names first came together with the Marriage of :
          Ellen Barlow and Thomas COOPER in Hoylake.
          This couple had a number of children including Joseph COOPER.
          Joseph was a Fisherman and a Fireman.
          Joseph christened one of his sons – Charles Barlow COOPER.
          Charles was killed by a German Submarine in June 1918, and he is now buried at Holy Trinity.
          Charles’ house in Walker Street was still occupied by COOPER’s up until the 1950′s
          I think that Blanche COOPER was the last COOPER occupier.
          Thats all for now,
          Ricky COOPER.

    • judith irvine says

      I remember the bell ringing , we could easily hear it in Chapel Rd, i used to get taken to the evening service with my Gran and remember, Andrew Jones, Timmy Ashhurst and Mike Parr were choir boys.

      • John Parr says

        Mike Parr is my younger brother. Andy Jones and Tim were in the choir with me. I joined when I was 6 and could not see over the choirstalls but I loved it and was proud to be Head Chorister from 1965 to 1969. John Wilson followed me, then my brother Mike I think. Other choir boys from that time were Dave Whitely, Lifeboat Coxswain, Steve Armitage now deputy cox, and Ray Millett who was also in the crew. Tim Hazlehurst, Rob Parry, Brian Jones….apologies to those I’ve left out. There is a photo of us at the Chester Diocesan Festival we attended each year with our rivals…the great girls choir from St Hildeburgh’s. We always felt the poor relations…we had old cassocks and supluses…the girls had smart, red cassocks and even hats. They had carpets too in the church. But we loved the old Parish Church and our choir in the late sixties under the great organist Mr Clarke was pretty good. The men included chimney sweep and bass Fred Rimmer and head barber at George Henry Lee, tenor Steve Case. Neil Coslett, sadly no longer with us, was one of the younger men along with Alan Powell. The most venerable gentleman was Mr Hopwood, “Hoppy”, who was a Great War veteran. He told us off which we did not like but we grew to love and respect him. I remember, he had come from Moston near Manchester and was wouinded in the First war.He lived in Ferndale Road.

        I cannot believe we let the old church go. It was demolished, in the opinion of many, because Hoylake could no longer afford 2 churches. The reason given was that the keystone over the main arch had slipped….but it had slipped in around 1850 I think when the church was relatively new. I have sung in the church as storms battered the west window, and the roof creaked…but it was solid. My father Bill recalls the great storm of January 1976 when houses and properties were damaged. He said not one tile fell from the Parish Church.

        What really rubbed salt into the wounds was the removal of the bell. The church was built by Mrs Swainson for the fishing folk of Hoose and Little Meolse. My family were fishermen. They all contributed to the bell which should have remained. I believe Peter Cottrell of the Hoylake Community Group – ironically now buried where the church once stood – rescued it from the rubble and offered to set it up. There was probably more to it, but it seemed insensitive that the Church took it away. I would be thrilled to see it returned and would support a campaign to do so if others would like to join. It would be a wonderful achievement if the new Vicar could help bring this part of our heritage back home.

        John Parr, ex- Coastguard House, Government Road and Hazel Road.

        • Bernie W says

          John if you can establish a “Bring Back the Bell” committee with a set of goals And objectives to bring it back; why not set up a fund to build a small Bell Tower. In order to fund the project why not sell brick’s or better still an original sand stone brick to be used for the construction and funding of the project at say $100 sterling per brick.(excuse the $ symbol as I don’t have an English keyboard set) As a sweetener you could have each stone engraved with the donors name. I would certainly purchase at least one.

          Regards
          Bernie

          • jackie says

            Unfortunately that cannot happen as the then Vicar Rev John Richards gave it away to a Church in the Bunbury area of Cheshire. Peter Cottriall did requwest that we made it into a Memorial using the stone form the Church on the site of the Church but this was refused on the grounds that it would have to be maintained!!!

          • John says

            Berni replies:

            I guess I was suggesting that you raise enough cash to have a new bell made and swap it for the old Hoylake bell repatriating it back to Hoylake, where it belongs. I believe that if a 1000 residents of Hoylake each donated 100 pounds (that should be easy given the population and interest) there would be more than enough cash to raise a tower, repatriate the Bell and cover expenses for advertising, transportation, publicity etc.

            Unfortunately I live in Canada or I would be prepared to do it myself.

        • Gwyn Hughes says

          Hi John , my wifes gt grandmother was Annie Parr from back sea view road Hoylake , have a photo of her , just wondered if you are family

          • JOHN PARR says

            Hi Gwyn – I am so sorry that I did not notice your message earlier since you posted it 11 months ago! Annie Parr was my great grandmother too – how I would love to see a photograph of her. As you may well know, she was born Annie Eliza Bethell in 1864. There was a lot of sadness in her life unfortunately. Her husband John Parr lived only until the age of 37. Daughter Martha died in 1904 when she choked on popcorn which was still banned in the old family home in Back Sea View when I was a child. Her eldest child Eleanor – Nelly – married James Leicester the son of a local butcher but she too died young, aged just 25. I imagine this might well have been in childbirth. In 1911 the Census shows her living and working as a domestic at the Union Hotel (now the Ship Hotel) in Parkgate. Times were no doubt hard. Finally, her eldest son William was killed at Arras in the Great War in 1917. Annie reputedly died of a broken heart months later, just 53 herself. Her only surviving children were her other daughter Maggie and John Washington Parr, my Grandad. I still live locally and hope to hear from you. Best wishes – John

      • JANE BOOTH says

        I have posted a picture of the choir in the late 40′s on a group in f/b, did you know my Dad, Ian Mackie… He was born in Manor Road?

        • diane says

          Was your dad the manager/owner of the ship if so i remember your dad he was a lovely man always polite my mum and dad always spoke highly of him and used to tell me that he used to live in manor rd, my brother dave beech would of remembered him better than i do sadly he has passed now

    • JOHN PARR says

      The fine old church was demolished in 1976 as “unsafe”. The keystone in the chancel arch had dropped slightly…..but I think that was in about 1850! We all thought it was a dreadful ruse to reduce Anglican churches to one in Hoylake for financial reasons. Can you recall the incredible gail of 31st December 1975? My Dad Bill Parr went round the church the following day and said that there was not one tile missing. Buildings everywhere were in various states of damage…but not the Parish Church. It had withstood many a storm, the west end facing directly into the prevailing Irish Sea winds.

      It would be great to see the old bell return to the community it came from. It was paid for by the local fisherfolk of Hoose when the church was built.

      John Parr, Head Chorister, Hoylake Parish Church, 1965 – 1969

      • Janet Roberts says

        I have just been reading the many emails with interest. I am currently researching my family tree and have traced my great great grandfather to Church Gap Road in Hoylake (1891). Is this possibly near this church? The article said something about a former Church Road? His name was Joseph Orford, a slater and he was married to Alice Jane Beck. Jane Beck’s father was a fisherman from Hoose, Thomas Beck.

        Regards Janet Roberts

        • Syd Bird says

          Hi Janet,
          there are a couple of photos in existence dating from the 1880`s/1890`s of the Hoylake Volunteer Fire Brigade and I notice that a J. Orford appears in both. I wonder if this person is your Great Great Grandfather.The present Trinity Road in Hoylake used to be called Church Road many years ago and there is a large church yard there which was next to the Parish Church , sadly this was demolished a few years ago.

          • Rob Triggs says

            I find it amazing that such interest is still generated after nearly thirty five years by the removal of the Bell from Trinity Road Church in 1976. My parents were married in that church as were many of the Triggs Family. Quite a few of my relations are buried there. It was a disgrace that such a lovely old church was demolished and along with many of the great facilities that Hoylake at one time offered has gone for good. I can however reveal that after all these years, I was the culprit who actually removed the Bell. During the wonderful summer of 1976 I left the sea and gained employment as a lifeguard at Hoylake Swimming Baths. As the season drew to a close the employees were taken on by the Hoylake Outdoor Trust to rebuild the baths. I remember Peter and Jackie Hall were very involved with this and Peter Cottrell’s family the ‘Cotties’ all worked there. I drove the Dumper truck and one morning was told to drive it up to the site of the Church which was in the process of being demolished, collect the Bell and bring it back to the Baths for storage. I did as I was told, we loaded it onto the truck and I drove it back down to the Prom and never saw it again. So it was me who actually removed it from the site.

        • Gordon Evans says

          Hi Janet
          Since you’re currently researching your family tree you may be interested to know that Alice Jane BECK (b1862 Hoose) features in mine as a 3rd cousin twice removed.
          She was a great-great-grandaughter of fisherman Peter JONES, who married Elizabeth HUGHES on 21 February 1774 in West Kirby St Bridget.
          Peter & Elizabeth JONES are my 4 x great-grandparents.

          • Bill Hughes says

            Gordon, is there any updated evidence to show how Elizabeth Hughes fits into the family? Where she was from and possibly her parents’ names. Since she and Peter Jones lived in West Kirby at the same time as Thomas Hughes ( married to Jane Wright ) , I am wondering if Elizabeth and Thomas may have been brother and sister or first cousins. In my case , what is interesting is that the granddaughter of Peter and Elizabeth, Mary Jones, married the grandson of Thomas and Jane, Joseph Hughes. Joseph was one of the casualties of the Hoylake Lifeboat Tragedy of 1810. Joseph was the son of Thomas Hughes and Margaret Barlow.

          • Philip Barton says

            I am under the impression that the Joseph Hughes who died in the Hoylake Lifeboat tragedy of 22 December 1810 was the son of Thomas Hughes (1750-1839) and Jane Wright (1749-1820) and that it was he who was married to Margaret Barlow in West Kirby on 3 August 1802.

            Also, Mary Jones (1803-1870), the grand-daughter of Peter Jones and Elizabeth Hughes, married Thomas Hughes (1804-1830) at St Bridget’s on 27 February 1828 (witnessed by John Rowland and Catherine Davies).

            Where have I gone wrong? The dates and available records seem to fit my interpretation.

          • says

            Gordon Evans replies:

            Hello Phillip

            Presumably it’s the post of Bill Hughes (in Phoenix Arizona) on 21st May 2011 with which you have a problem?

            I believe that Bill got his facts slightly twisted in that Mary JONES (b1803 Great Meols), grandaughter of Peter JONES & Elizabeth nee HUGHES, married Thomas HUGHES (b1804 Hoose), who was the son of Joseph HUGHES (b1782 Great Meols) & Margaret nee BARLOW (b1780 Hoose).
            Thomas (b1804) being the grandson of Thomas HUGHES (born c1750) and Jane nee WRIGHT.

            Incidentally, I have Thomas HUGHES (born c1750) as the ‘fisherman of Oolse’ of that name buried in West Kirby St Bridget on 15th May 1798?

          • LynJohnston says

            I am also researching the Holmes/ Hughes/Jones/Eccles/Bird family and have the above mentioned family members in my tree..

            I am coming over to Uk from Australia in june /july and Im visiting the hoylake area. I would like to meet up with any family members still in the area .

            my email lyn@resetdsl.net.au please contact me…..

      • Val Ward nee Maddocks says

        Are we related. My grandmother was a Washington Parr from back sea view. Bill Parr was the son of I think Aunt Daisy, and twins Margaret and Elsie would be sisters or cousins, i have no-one to ask now and would be grateful for some knowledge. I still live in Hoylake as do Elsie and |Margaret and uncle Bill is a home down Stanley road..
        Val

        • JOHN PARR says

          Hello Val – We must surely be related. My grandfather was John Washington Parr of 5 Back Seaview and my Nan was Daisy. As you say, my Dad Bill is nowadays in the Red Rocks Nursing Home, he’s 87. Margaret and Elsie are my twin aunts and still bowl most days of the week. My grandparents third child Leslie died in 1991 but the eldest, Geoff Parr, is almost 92 and still living in Penrith. Nan was 96 when she died and still had her season ticket for Liverpool. Long livers we Parrs….please keep in touch. John

          • Don Johnson says

            Hi John,
            You might like to know that, the census of 1751 shows a Mr George Washington as the Landlord of the Plasterers so the name goes way, way back but there was also Washington in my own family somewhere on the mothers side and we were related to a family of Washingtons that later lived off Greenbank Road in West Kirby.
            I remember that my uncle (a Buckle) lived in Ferndale Road and when we visited him we often went out and along the alleyway to the back gate of a house in Avondale Road where the Washington part of the family lived but I can’t give you any more details.
            This was in the 1940′s and very early 50′s but at my age this could could well have been the George Washington at the Plasterers.
            My father did tell me that there is a relative named Washington buried in Holy Trinity Church yard somewhere close to the alley leading to School Lane but I never managed to find it and now they have very kindly removed almost all gravestones.

          • Gwyn Hughes says

            not sure how I can become a member of this group but I am interested as my wife’s family origionate from Hoose – name Eccles ..Annie Parr was her gt grandmother she had three sons , Edward Stuart Eccles was her grandfather lived in North Wales – Deganwy .

        • Eve Roberts says

          Hi Val and John

          Val, you only need to ask me, you know I know of all the cousins! See you soon I hope Love Eve

          • Val Ward nee Maddocks says

            Hi Eve, I don’t know how i got into this conversation i think it was bernie Watts who started it off, It is very fascinating to read all these comments about the people of Hoylake. If i can correct and apologise it was of course Keith Boardman (not Stan) Geoff worked with him when he was with B.T. Dianne keep in touch Les’s ma was a |Barlow but no relation i don’t think to the Lee road ones . As you know Eve have just found cousins in westkirby on my Dads side Joe Maddocks postman born 1917 westkirby.
            Val

  3. Syd Bird says

    I think for those of us who grew up in Hoylake in the 40`s ,50`s and 60`s expected that the Parish Church and other buildings (like the Y.M.C.A.) would remain for ever, what a pity that did not prove to be the case . I think the church was mainly constructed of sandstone which made it very pleasing to the eye .

    I had forgotten all about the church bell ringing out on a Sunday morning until reading what Bernie had to say about it and when I think about it now we in Chapel Road could hear it very clearly.

    When I played a lot of snooker in the early 60`s for Hoylake Mens Social Club this was housed in the old Vicarage , I wish I had explored the basement to find out if there was indeed a tunnel leading to the church.

    • Bernie Watts says

      Syd, although, like you, I am no longer a resident of Hoylake I think someone should start a collection or movement to “Bring Back the Bell” !

      It should be mounted, appropriately, in the midle patch of grass upon which, the church once stood, and where incidentally both my mum and dad are buried.

      Regards
      Bernie

      • Rob Parker says

        Hi Bernie

        Sorry to ‘but in’ to your conversation but I came upon this site looking forinfo on Hoylake and saw your name. Do remember us working with Owen MacShane at Warbricks, Market St. ?

        I am now retired and living on an island off the coast of Tunisia, hope live is good for you in Canada, do you ever get back to Wirral?

        Rob Parker

      • Rob Parker says

        Hi Bernie

        Sorry to ‘but in’ to your conversation but I came upon this site looking forinfo on Hoylake and saw your name. Do remember us working with Owen MacShane at Warbricks, Market St. ?

        I am now retired and living on an island off the coast of Tunisia, hope life is good for you in Canada, do you ever get back to Wirral?

        Rob Parker

      • Rob Parker says

        Hi Bernie

        Sorry to ‘but in’ to your conversation but I came upon this site looking for info on Hoylake and saw your name. Do remember us working with Owen MacShane at Warbricks, Market St. ?

        I am now retired and living on an island off the coast of Tunisia, hope life is good for you in Canada, do you ever get back to Wirral?

        Rob Parker

        • Bernie Watts says

          Hi Rob, yes of course I remember the old days at Warbrick’s. Sadly I understand that Owen passed away several years ago. We sure had some laughs back in the 60′s. If you want to contact me directly here is my email URL bermarg@rogers.com
          Regards
          Bernie

  4. Syd Bird says

    Well that sounds like a good idea Bernie , but I think you and I will have to move back to Hoylake first.

    Bye the way I met your brother David for the first time in about fifty years at the recent Parade School Centenary event .

    I took a photo of Pat Bryers house on the corner of Hazel Road and School Lane shortly before it was demolished in the early sixties and I have noticed you can just ( but only just) see your house on it . I will send it to John C to see if he wants to use it sometime,

    Regards,

    Syd

    • Bernie Watts says

      Glad you met Dave at the centenary event, wish I’d been able to make it. It would have been nice to see how everyone had made their way in the world.

      Pat was a good friend of Dave’s and he told me that Pat came over last year for “auld lang syne” saying it would probably be his last visit.

      Regardless of whether or not the photo is printed I would love to get a copy, my email address is bermarg@rogers.com if you would be so kind.

      Regards
      Bernie

    • mary johnstone (woolley) says

      It was very interesting to read that you have a photo of school lane I lived in the house before Bernie watts and would love to see the photo of school lane and pat bryers house I remember you Sid and your sister Jennifer

      • Syd Bird says

        Hello Mary,
        how nice to hear from you,do you want me to send you a copy of the School Lane photo?. If so I will need either your home address or an email address. I live in Scotland now and Jennifer lives in Meols.
        Kind Regards, Syd

          • Syd Bird says

            Hi Mary,

            I have emailed you three photos,one of Hazel Road and two of School Lane. Hope you receive them,
            Best Wishes Syd

          • Ricky Cooper says

            Hi Syd,

            I was much taken with your recent photograph of Wood Street /Rudd Street.

            Could it be blown up – suitable for framing ? If so – what optimum size would you recommend ?

            Ricky Cooper.

          • Syd Bird says

            Hi Ricky,
            I have sent you an email regarding the Wood Street/Rudd Street photo ,let me know what you think,

            Regards, Syd

  5. Keith Wallen says

    Is this the same same that Cynthia Lennon had Julian christened at (it was just a few doors up from her if I remember rightly) and John was unable to attend ?

      • Gail Rochford Gilchrist says

        John and Cynthia married at Mount Pleasant Registry Office.
        Julian was christened at Holy Trinity Parish church quietly.Cynthia,deciding not to tell John until after the event,fearing a media circus if he attended.

        • Peter Wilson says

          Thank you, Gail. Yes, it seems I am wrong!!! I’d been told that and always believed it too! Maybe I had it confused with the christening?

        • gillian says

          I was christened at exactly the same time as julian lennon, i was almost christened julian as the our names were similiar and my mum had the same hairstyle as cynthia, so was confused with her,

        • Bill Stanley says

          I was at the christening due to my sister having one of her children christened. There were about 6 young girls who were looking for a sight of John..I knew Cynthia fairly well as she was in my class at school. At the time my Mother lived at 1 Trinity rd ( next to the Punch Bowl) and Cynthia lived with her Mother almost opposite the church.

    • judith irvine says

      When i was a small girl it was not unusual to see Cynthia Lennon round and about in Hoylake with her mum who lived in Trinity Road, in the terraced houses between the Punch and Grove Road, not sure what number, i`ll ask my Mum, i think my Gran knew Mrs.Powell.

      • GILL MCMAHON says

        Lilian Powell lived at number 18 Trinity Road two doors down from my grandparents Lil and William Mills at number 14. Lil Powell was a good friend to them and I met Julian on a couple of occasions when my grandmother babysat him for Cynthia when she took her mother to the Punch Bowl for a drink ! I also remember coming back from Whiteleys with fish and chips via the back alley and not being able to get past a black hackney cab which was parked there. As I waited for it to move, the engine was running, John, Paul, George and Ringo ran out of number 18 and jumped into the taxi. I very nearly dropped the enamel bowl holding the fish and chips. Happy Happy Days !!

  6. Anita says

    Hi everyone.

    I have just purchased one of the terraced houses opposite the church grounds in Trinity Road. I am doing a bit of research to try and find out when they date back to. From what I believe, the houses were constructed in two phases. Up to half way down the houses are back to back with houses on Shaw street and are built slighty differently to the latter few houses who have gardens reaching onto Shaw Street. Can anyone help with a date to when the houses with the gardens were built?

    Regards Anita

    • John says

      Hi Anita – nice to hear from you!

      I don’t know the answer myself, but it’s likely another reader will !

      Kind regards

      John

    • Peter Wilson says

      I have a framed map on my wall which claims to be of Hoylake in 1908-09 although I know it was not totally up to date. The houses in Trinity Rd (then Church Road)you ask about seem to have been in place by then, in fact the whole street looks to be complete on both sides except for a small gap just past the house on the seaward corner of Marmion Road which interestingly was called View Road which I’d never noticed before.

    • Syd Bird says

      Hello Anita,
      some of my ancestors were living at No 40 Church Road(Trinity Road) in 1901 according to the census so I guess the houses were built before then . The only thing I`m not sure about is the exact location of No.40, I`m assuming it`s in the row of houses opposite the churchyard,but I suppose it could be further up past the junction with Grove Road.

      Regards Syd

      • diane hind says

        Number 40 is opposite the church yard its the 4th house down from the little alleyway between the end house and what used to be the blacksmiths in Shaw St when i was a child.
        I lived there from 1979 till 1984 then moved to Alderley Road, above the door way of number 40 it says church view, I remember them knocking down the old church when i was younger, Cynthia Lennon lived I think at number 20 or thereabouts, its nearly opposite the social club. I remember going to view it just after I got married, but never bought the house.

        Diane

      • marian raddings says

        My Great grandparents and great great granparents were residents in Hoylake, and were buried in the churchyard. The minister who conducted the service was RevA.Clarke. Amongst the names of the mourners R.Bird Mr Richard Bird was Chief Fire Officer in the Fire Brigade and my great grandfather a William James Stanley was also a member of the firebrigrade too.. Could Richard Bird be a relative of your Syd?

        • Syd Bird says

          Hello Marian,
          my great grandfather Jesse Bird had a younger brother named Richard and both were very much involved with the formation of the Hoylake Volunteer fire brigade so I think the Richard Bird you refer to must be an ancestor of mine.There are a couple of good photos in existence of the early fire brigade although I don`t think your great grandfather is in any of the photos I have seen.

          • Lyn Johnston says

            Hello Syd
            I have a James Lee Bird b 1859 m to Elizabeth Holmes b1859.and their son Henry b 1882( and married in 1882 in liverpool). in my Holmes/Eccles/Bird/Hughes/Myerscoughfamily tree. Would this be a relative of yours?

            I am from Newcastle Australia and Im trying to locate local relatives living in the hoylake area.
            If you can give me any help in my search I would really appreciate any help at all..

            regards
            Lyn Johnston

          • Gordon Evans says

            Should anyone else be interested in responding to Keith’s post, note that you’ll need to delete one of the three ‘t”s from the name HATTTON in his bt e-mail address ie this should read keithjhatton@btinternet.com

        • William Stanley Rimmer says

          My Great Grandfather was Joseph James Stanley,who married Elizabeth Beck who lived in North Road West Kirby.
          My great grandfather owned Pierces Yord and grew cauliflowers and cabbages. His nickname was cauliflower Joe.
          His father owned land at Park fields in Meols.
          My other great Grandfather was Herbert Jones coxwain of the Hoylake lifeboat.
          The becks,Jones,and Parr families are all inter related.

          • Gordon Evans says

            Hi William
            I have your STANLEY great-grandmother as nee Louisa BECK, not Elizabeth?
            (She’s believed to be my 6th cousin once removed).
            Your coxswain great-grandfather Herbert JONES is my 3rd cousin twice removed.

      • Don Johnson says

        Has anyone noticed that, contrary to the usual numbering where the odd numbers are on the left as you go along a road, Church/Trinity Road is the exact opposite: the even numbers are on the LEFT with the odd numbers of the right.
        I realised this when I was looking for where my parents lived prior to 1937. My Father was in 24, in the terrace on the left while my mother’s family lived at either 47 or 49 on the right.
        My father at thet time was a ‘Grocers Assistant’ while my mother’s father was a carpenter/joiner at Cammell Lairds.
        Just thought I’s drop it into the conversation

        • Stu Rankin says

          DON : You can add Rudd Street ( and maybe one or two others ! ) to the ‘ odds on the right ‘ list .

    • Ricky Cooper says

      Hi Anita,
      I hope that you can help with my enigma.

      1. I used to bus out to Hoylake from Birkenhead to see my Great Grandfather (almost 70 years ago)
      I think he lived in 41 Groveland Avenue initially.(Bill (Doggy) Trueman)
      2. He then went to live in another house, but I only ever went in by the back door which opened directly onto the road. I then went up the garden and into the house. Wandering about in Old Hoylake – the only houses that fitted this description were those that backed onto Shaw Street, and faced Trinity Road. He died in 1948,
      and is buried in Holy Trinity graveyard. Perhaps his Death Certicate would solve the puzzle. Oh! yes and he lived next door to the St Hildeburgh Verger. Ricky Cooper.

  7. Ruth Treece (Rowlands) says

    I remember Trinity Church very well. I was always told that ‘the secret tunnel’ ran from St Hildebughs Church and was used by smugglers. Seems rather far fetched now. Does anyone remember the wartime restaurant in the old vicarage? You could get amain course for Ninepence and no coupons!!

    • Geraldine Astbury (Gray) says

      Hi Ruth, Are you Ruth Rowlands who used to live at 25 (I think) Chapel Road? I used to live at no 19 with my Mum and Dad, Rose and Don Gray.
      I was christened, confirmed and married at Trinity church and was so upset to find out it had been pulled down. What a terrible shame. I vaguely remember the restaurant. Further down Trinity Road near the shops there used to be a clinic where they looked after children whose mums worked and I went to for a short time. My dad rented the deckchairs out in the summer and I used to take his lunch down to him when he was at the Trinity Road deckchairs, accompanied by my faithful collie Peter.

      • JOHN PARR says

        Hi Geraldine – how good to hear from you and the references to your Mum and Dad. We lived close-by in Hazel Road and Don was very kind to me when I was a boy. He took me canal fishing with him and I still have the copy of Izaak Walton’s The Compleat Angler which he gave me.

        We all remember Tony Jacklin staying at your house during the 1967 Open Championship and the photo of him sitting on your front door-step.

        Best wishes – John Parr

        • Geraldine Astbury (Gray) says

          Hi John,I was married and left home when Tony Jacklin stayed at my mum and dad’s in Chapel Road, but I remember them being so thrilled to have him.They never stopped talking about it for years.
          Best wishes to you too…Geraldine

      • Ruth Treece says

        Hi Geraldine, nice to hear from you. Are you still in Hoylake. I am jn Anglesey but keep in touch with Hoylake via ‘The Junction’. I have fond memories of your Mum helping me to make myself a dress on her sewing machine. I also remember you and your parents cycling to Wales on holiday. We were fit then. I still have a photograph of one of the street parties in Chapel Road. If I ever learn how to get it onto the computer i will send it to ‘The Junction’. Kind regards, Ruth

        • Geraldine Astbury (Gray) says

          Hi Ruth, I moved to Orrell near Wigan for 40 years but then moved back to Wirral on retiring and have lived in Moreton for the last 6 years.I remember cycling to Wales with my mum and Dad.Yes we were fit then weren’t we?Best Wishes, Geraldine

      • judith irvine says

        Hello Geraldine,
        I`am Tom and Maud Shakeshafts Grandaughter, i remember your Mum being next door to my Gran, we lived at 21 in the summer so we could spend every last minute in the baths, with a 10/- contract. I think i remember a black and white dog at no. 19 too, that barked and i was scared of it !!
        I`d love to buy 21, if it came up for sale, such very happy memories.

    • Irene Smith (Mitchell) says

      Ruth I just found this site and am so excited to read everyone’s postings. I believe we know each other. We used to go the the Swimming Baths, along with Maureen Hann etc. Do I have the right Ruth?

      • Ruth Treece says

        Hi Irene, yes you have the right Ruth. Maureen Hann was a great friend but I lost touch when I left Hoylake. I was never out of the swimming pool during the summer. I have managed to find another friend Geraldine (Gray), who now lives in Moreton. Do you still live in Hoylake? I still come over there to see my sister and brother. It would be lovely if we could all meet up somewhere for a coffee. Have you any other contacts from those days Best wishes Ruth

        • Irene Smith (Mitchell) says

          Oh Ruth, I am so excited to touch base with you again after all these years!! I am new to this site and enjoying reminiscing. I find it absolutely awful that the church and baths have been demolished. I have so many fond memories of days gone by. I now live in Texas, USA. We moved here in 2001 to retire in the country. We lived in California for over 40 years where we raised our family of four (3 sons and 1 daughter). Two of our sons still live in California, and one in Arizona. Our daughter lives here in Texas (the reason for our move, since she had all her children (our grandchildren)! We just took a motor trip this past Spring for about 6 weeks to visit our sons. Had a great time. Maureen lives in Surrey. She and her husband, David Travis, have visited us many times through the years. Sadly, David passed away some years ago. Maureen has visited us since we moved here toTexas 3 times so far, and we talk on the phone when we can. It is one of life’s blessings to still have a friend since we met in kindergarten. I’ve always been so glad that I grew up in Hoylake, and I believe we lived in the best of times back then. Please keep in touch, and let me know how things are with you. Where do you live now? I will let Maureen know we have contacted each other next time we talk. God Bless, Irene

          • JANE BOOTH says

            Hi, do you remember my dad or his sisters, Mackie – Pamela, Jackie or Ian – they lived in Manor road.
            .

    • john rainford says

      my mother and i had a meal there once a week i remember the pea soup and the cake and custard we lived at 35rudd st so the british restaurant was a 10 minute walk

  8. says

    Just checking if there are any present day folks living in or near to Hoylake today who are Hugheses and might be descended from Thomas Hughes married to Anne Harding. They lived on Market Street. Previous generations included Thomas Hughes and Jane Wright , and Joseph Hughes and Margaret Barlow, and Thomas Hughes and Mary Jones who lived in West Kirby and had family marriages and christenings in St. Bridgets Church. A related line included Richard Hughes married to Alice Eccles from Formby. Thanks so much.

    • Syd Bird says

      Hi Bill,
      I think I see your ancestors mentioned in the 1881 Census living in Market Street(perhaps as landlords of the Punch Bowl?). Thomas Hughes aged 50 is shown as a Licensed Victualler, also mentioned is his wife Ann aged 50 and their 5 children,

      • says

        Syd, yes that would be them Ann is Ann Harding from Wrexham, Wales. I think this is when the family relocated from West Kirby to Hoylake. Thomas and Ann had 9 children …some of the daughters married into families like Heavysege, Rainford and Dodd. It was my great grandfather, William Croxton Hughes, who emigrated to the USA around 1880. Thanks. Bill

        • Keith Wallen says

          i think I’m right in saying that the Rainsford’s had a business that might have been painters & decorators or builders perhaps, I’m going back to the 1950-’s so my memory is a bit stretched. Others might be able to help Bill.

        • stephen dodd says

          Dear mr Hughes in reading with interest your last message you mentioned the name DODD and i was wondering if there could be any relation to my late fathers family. My fathers family lived and grew up in walker street (my dad was born in 1934)he has 2 brothers and 1 sister all still living 1 in west kirby 1 in hoylake and 1 in exeter. We have a number of family members in the church yard including my late fathers memorial stone which was just recently laid and blessed almost to the exact spot where he and his older brother used to sing on the church choir as young lads. I would be interested in any further information yourself or anybody else has regarding the church. The old bell would be a nice welcome site back to where it belongs and am sure like myself and many others it would bring back so many memories(I used to holiday at my auntie and uncles when i was younger late 60′s early 70′s)My father through his job as a police officer moved around a lot and finaly settled in bredbury nr stockport until his death in 2007 so i thought it fitting that he came back home to rest.
          thank you.

          • marian raddings says

            A Mr. J . Dodd was a mourner at my Great grandfather’s funeral he was(Mr. William James Stanley)., he lived at Elm Cottage Lake Place, but was born in the Old School house. in School Lane.9 His parents were the Schoolmaster and mistress. his widow later married a Mr.W.G. Collings a former chief of coastgueards.

      • Ricky Cooper says

        Hi Syd,
        Not sure where this “Reply” should go – anyway I was strolling along Market Street and passed the Punch Bowl. Then I went up Trinity Road. I stopped by a line of cottages with a sign “Church View”. Across the road I could see Trinity churchyard.

        I was reminded of an old postcard given to me by the Verger of St Hildeburgh’.
        This was a drawing of the view I could now see. The drawing of the sports car included was about 1939 vintage.
        Would you be interested in a copy of this blank Post card ?

        Ricky.

        • JANE BOOTH says

          Hi, my Dad was born in Manor Road in 1936 I am sure he would be interested to see a copy of that postcard, any chance you could email me a copy, I would be most grateful. His name is Isn Mackie and he owned the Ship Inn in the late 80′s/90′s….

          Thank you in anticipation,

          jane

          • Ricky Cooper says

            Hi Jane Booth,

            Reference Holy Trinity Church pictures — I have seen several of these :–
            1. Syd Bird’s photo, which heads this Website. [in sepia brown]
            2. Another photo, this time in colour.
            3. A plate painting shown to me by a lady living in Church View.
            4. A pen and ink drawing, which I have (circa 1939)

            I have asked my Grand Daughter to scan “number 4″ and transmit it to me.
            I will then post it to the “Junction”.

            Ricky Cooper.

    • Charles Morris says

      Thirty years ago I visited a Thomas Hughes, and his wife, then living in Newton. I was pursuing my research into the Winter Gardens, and Thomas wrote to me because he had worked there in about 1917. Was he one of your family ?

    • Ricky Cooper says

      Hi Bill,

      Better late than never – so they say.
      Tom Hughes and Anne Harding had a baby 1761
      Tom Hughes = Jane Wright 1771
      Joe Hughes = Margaret Barlow 1802
      Tom Hughes = Mary Jones 1828
      Ric Hughes = Alice Eccles 1794

      Cheers Ricky Cooper

      • Lyn Johnston says

        Hi Ricky
        I have Richard Hughes b 1774 m to Alice Eccles b 1774 in my Holmes/Eccles tree.

        I live in Newcastle Australia and im researching Holmes/ Eccles/Worsley/ Myerscough families from Cheshire/Lancashire.
        Can you please give me any more info please? Are you related to any of these people ?
        thankyou
        regards
        Lyn Johnston

        • Ricky Cooper says

          Hi Lyn,
          Just to acknowledge your Email April 6, 2011.
          I have done a little research on the ECCLES family who came over from Lancashire to Wirral.
          It appears that one branch spread up the coast of West Wirral from Hoylake, while a second branch spread up the coast of East Wirral from Birkenhead. My interest in this family is limited to their links to my own Hoylake connections. [Bird, Hughes, Barlow - that is "Fisherfolk"] Most of my information has been taken from the St. Bridget BMD files. I have not explored the second branch who spread from Birkenhead towards Ellesmere Port and Eastham.
          If you think that I could be of help – just let me know.
          Ricky.

          • John says

            Lyn Johnston replies:

            Hi Ricky,
            I have Birds, Holmes, Eccles, Hughes, Hattons, Housleys, Myerscough etc all in the family tree .. I am trying to find more info as my details are very sketchy in parts.I am connected mainly with the Holmes line.
            I am also trying to make contact with any of the family who still live in the area to find out more local info. I am in Australia , near Newcastle.. I am also trying to locate a cousin that came to Oz a couple of years ago and Ive lost contact with her. Her name is Kay Morgan, if any body can give me her contact details as I would like to catch up with her again next year.
            So any help would be very much appreciated.
            thanks
            Regards

        • dcumpsty says

          Lyn Johnston

          Alexander Frederick Johnston is listed in the Will of William Frederick Cumpsty 1917 son of Isaac Cumpsty the builder.

          Is this your Johnsont?

    • Lyn Johnston says

      Hi Bill
      I have Richard Hughes b 1774 m to Alice Eccles b 1774 in my Holmes/Eccles tree.I also have a
      Thomas,Robert, William,Joseph,Alice, Ann,Maria & John Hughes

      I live in Newcastle Australia and im researching Holmes/ Eccles/Worsley/ Myerscough families from Cheshire/Lancashire.
      Can you please give me any more info please? Are you related to any of these people ?
      thankyou
      regards
      Lyn Johnston

    • Keith Hatton says

      Hi Bill,

      I am a descendant of Richard Hughes and Alice Eccles if you wish to exchange information,

      Keith Hatton

    • Teri McMillan says

      Hello Bill

      JONES/ HUGHES/ CROXTON /HILTON

      I am trying to research the family of Mary Jones who had been married to Thomas Hughes with a son Thomas.. After her husband’s death ( found drowned,1830) , she married William Croxton in 1834. They had 8 children. Sarah Croxton (B 1836) was their second child. She married Archibald Tutton Salvidge from Liverpool. Their daughter Sarah Croxton Salvidge (B 1872) was my husbands great grandmother. She married the golfer Harold Horsfall Hilton (another Hoylake family) and had 3 children. Any information about any of the families would be appreciated.

      Teri McMillan

  9. D Cumpsty says

    Yes the Old Parish Church.

    Where did the bell go?

    I would like to know where it was Cast? There used to be a Brown Foundry in Liverpool. I am under the understanding it was donated by a Brown. The Browns were from Birkenhead.

    • Ricky Cooper says

      The Old Parish Church in Trinity Road, Hoylake.

      Where did the bell go?

      Firstly – I have no idea where the Bell went, and I don’t expect to find out.

      However – wandering around Shotwick Church – I found an old bell lying at the base of the Church Tower.

      Would this suit our purpose ? If so – could we have it ?

      Regards Ricky Cooper.

  10. Donald (Don) Johnson says

    Reading the names of contributors brings back memories. My family lived from about 1942 until October 1948 in 9 Lake Place. I remember I walked along Grove Road and the entry to get to the infants school and remember getting a shock in February 1944 to come out of the entry and saw my dad standing waiting and as we walked home he told me that I had a baby sister. In July 1944 I went to the Junior school. I remember that in 1st year Miss Rowlands used to have a short stick which she held down low as you were reading and mistakes were ‘rewarded’ with a swipe across the back of the leg. I can also remember a couple of years later standing in the playground watching and eclipse through smoked glass. Prior to their marriage in October 1936 my father, Eric Johnson lived at 24 Church Road and my mother’s family, Albert and Hannah Buckle lived at either 47 or 49 Church Road. Albert buckle died in an accident at Cammel Lairds on 27th June 1937 and his wife moved to 12 Marmion Road, at the corner of Marmion and Lake. They are both buried in Holy Trinity Church yard, just across the wall from where the Infants school was. Does anyone remember the air-raid shelter in Marmion Road at the Government Road end and on the park side. For about a year or so in 1955 to 56 I was Assistant Scoutmaster with 1st Hoylake, when the senior scouts got us lost on a training weekend in Llandudno.

      • Robin Blackwell says

        Hi Marian. In an earlier reply in this message chain you mentioned your great grandfather William James Stanley and also William George Collings, a coastguard. My great grand father was William George Collings whose 1st marriage was to Eliza Stanley (nee Teeton), who I guess was your great great grandmother ( I believe that makes us 1st cousins 3 times removed!). From a Family History viewpoint, I’d be interested to know if you have any information about Eliza, William or Stephen. I recently found out that William Collings had a fishing trawler named ‘Ruby’ in Hoylake around 1890. Regards, Robin

      • Eileen Drummond (Thompson) says

        I am curious to know who you were related to in 1 Lake Place, my Grandparents lived at this adress, Sis and Abe Cumpsty and there was another woman that lived in the front room who was my Uncle Bill’s mother, we called her Gradma Halewood.

    • Bernie Watts says

      Don, I was particularly interested in your comments regarding Albert and Hannah Buckle. I believe that we are related as Benjamin Buckle and his wife Caroline Buckle (nee Condy-Riddolls) were Alberts parents and he was the brother of my great grandfather Peter Buckle.

      My grandmothers maiden name was Beatrice Buckle. I believe that I have a photograph of your grandmother and grandfather (It may even be their wedding) and if you send me your email address I will send you a copy.

      • Peter Wilson says

        Would she have been related to a Miss Buckle who was for many years at Austin’s toy shop? I used to love going in there in the 60s and choosing a Corgi or Dinky car from the glass-fronted cases on the right hand side. Miss Austin or Miss Buckle would disappear into the store room when something requested wasn’t on display. Invariably they would emerge several minutes later with the item!

        • Bernie Watts says

          Not too sure on that one Peter but I do remember Miss Buckle well as I delivered papers for Austin’s back in the 50′s.

          However if she was one of the original Buckles she would be related to you as the first Buckle in Hoylake was, as I said previously, Benjamin. (At least I understand he was first)

          FYI According to The Hoylake Directory of 1921 your grandad, Albert lived at 41 Rudd Street.

          • Don Johnson says

            Sorry to throw a squib in but records show that Benjamin Buckle lived in Lake Road, he was a Navy Pensioner was born in 1835 and died 27/06/1890 aged 55.
            However, the 1897 Street directory shows his wife, Caroline, living at 14 Alderley Road.
            They appear to have had four children:
            John Riddolls Buckle born 1867 died 13/01/1894 aged 27 but where the ‘Riddoll’s came from is a mystery.
            William Henry Buckle b 03/08/1871 bit died 19/02/1972 aged 6 months.
            Susan Buckle b 1874 but the 1912 street directory shows her as living on her own in 41 Rudd Street.
            Albert Edward Riddolls Buckle b 04/07/1875 died 27/06/1937 aged 62 due to an accident at Lairds shipyards.
            In 1901 Albert married Hannah Bertha Riddolls and they had four children.

        • Stu Rankin says

          I delivered papers for them in the early sixties for four years and the best thing about delivering papers for them was that the papers were made up by Miss Buckle before you arrived so that you started at 7am rather than 6.30am at Bentleys where you had to make them up yourself. I rode Miss Buckle’s bike which had no crossbar and was lighter and lower geared than the “boys” bikes. Although this meant the top speed was limited, the 0-20mph acceleration was much better and handier for the backstreets of Hoylake. The worst round was Stanley Road where you had to fight the wind against you towards Red Rocks, but at least coming back, with the wind behind you, you were blown along without hardly pedalling at all! Losing the papers out of the carrier when your bike fell over in the wind meant that you had to chase them all the way down the road as they disappeared everywhere!

          After a spell delivering papers for them, in the mid-60s my wife had a Saturday job at Austin’s. She remembers the store room and even the loo had stocks of cars around it! Miss Buckle would make her a cup of milky coffee and two digestive biscuits for elevenses, every Saturday. The shop sold expensive writing paper and even plants in the summer as well as toys. In the winter it was really cold and heated by a little paraffin oil heater.

          • Bernie Watts says

            Here’s some stuff I’ve dug up on Benjamin Buckle….
            Name Benjamin Buckle
            Place of Birth Braunston
            Date of Birth

            Date Joined RN May 4 1857
            Period 10 Years + 10 Years

            Period
            Name Date Date Rating
            Ships Served On From To
            Exmouth 04/05/1859 16/06/1859 OS
            Exmouth 17/06/1859 05/12/1859 AB
            Exmouth 06/11/1859 14/10/1862 Stoker
            Indus 15/10/1862 17/01/1864 Stoker
            Prince Consort 18/01/1864 04/01/1868 Stoker
            Indus 05/01/1868 31/12/1868 Stoker
            Valiant 01/01/1869 20/03/1870 Stoker
            Coastguard 02/0301870 31/03/1875 Bo’sun
            Caledonia 15/08/1870 TM
            The Family must have come to Hoylake when he was posted to the Coastguard service

  11. Elaine says

    I have discovered I am related to the Rev. J. H. Swainson, who was the first parson at the church. He was the son of a Timothy Swainson who’s wife Betty paid for the building of the church in his memory. Does anyone know anymore about the Swainson family?
    Many thanks
    Elaine

    • Rev. Steven Young says

      Dear Elaine,

      Great to hear that you are related to the Rev. J.H. Swainson! I’m currently researching a manual of family prayer he published in 1848 and 1862 called The Churchman’s Book of Family Prayer as part of PhD on Victorian family prayer!

      I’m am currently trying to find out more about him myself but it is proving difficult. Perhaps we could help each other by letting one another know if/when we find out anything?

      If you go to google books you can see a full version of your ancestors wonderful prayer book!

      Many thanks,

      Steven

    • dcumpsty says

      Elaine.

      I am interested in this Swainson Family.

      What research have you done and where are you Looking?

      Do you know what J H stands for.

      D Cumpsty

  12. Meridel says

    HI John,

    Due you remember the united Evensong? I was in St Hildeburgh’s choir from 66-75, when Mr Hale had his accident and broke his hip, the weekend before Lifeboat Sunday in 75. I can remember Jennie, Joan and Peter Pearce, rwo sisters, Ginnie and Geraldine Roberts, Gill Becque, Heather Slade, Claire and David Hale, Suzanne and Peter Clarke, Jeff Kernighan, Carol Hazlehurst, Kay Eggleton. The men included Colin Hall, still there and started as a treble, Mr John Turnbull – over 60 years and a former cavalry officer in the Lancs and Cheshire Hussars, Mr Eric Brassey, Mr Bob Cooke and Mr Herbert Eccles – who taught Mr Hale to sing bass in the 20s, a price Mr Hale had to pay for being deputy organist who thought that after he left St Bridgets that his days as a chorister were over.

    Mr Hale was taught the organ by the previous organist Mr Norman Biller, who specified the Rushworth and Dreaper organ in the 20s. He went to Hoylake from a church in Wallasey with the incentive of specifying a new organ which cost £5-6000 at the time. Mr Biller was apparently known to Sir John Stainer and used to receive copies of anthems prior to publication. Sadly, much of this musical treasure trove was binned on the change of organist in the 70s. Mr Biller was also responsible for the manuscript psalter, which he produced to have chants to match the words of every psalm.

    I have very fond memories of my days in the choir, there.

    • Gail Rochford Gilchrist says

      Singing in St Hildeburgh’s choir between 1970-75,I remember you well Meridel and all the names you speak of, in fact Carol Hazelhurst gave me singing lessons for a while. I remember too, mid service breaks at the Jeager sisters (?) with a trip over the golf course to get to their eccentric home nestled at the end of the drive.
      Those years stood me in good stead and I still sing today performing at local functions etc.Great days though,I seem to remember your mums warm kitchen Meridel,great soup and the cutest little dog……was he a fox terrier?

      • Peter Wilson says

        Ah! I remember the Jeager sisters in The Old Garden at the beginning of Meols Drive – a delightful country cottage-style house completely hidden from the road unless on the top deck of a Crosville bus!

        They had a marvellous conker tree in the garden and on a few occassions I was allowed to go and collect conkers for battle with my class mates at Dormie House School in Riversdale Road, West Kirby. Soaking in vinegar, baking in the oven and so on were all part of the fun in making one’s conker indestructible!

      • Charles Morris says

        I too remember the Jaeger sisters – Diana and Joanna – and also their brother Giles. Diana was the one who took away the younger children during the sermon and kept them occupied for the duration. She used to be in the ladychapel during the service and emerge from there at the appropriate moment and would lead the children away, pied-piper style. I think she taught at West Kirby Girls’ Grammar School; science I think, maybe part-time.

        I saw Giles a few years ago and he gave me the sad news that Diana was in Sandtoft, which I understand had become a care home. I have to assume she has died by now.

    • Gill Becque says

      I was googling my name just to see where I was posted and I came upon this! Wow! Yes, being in the choir was a very important part of my life at Hoylake and gave me the interest and enthusiasm in music to become a secondary school music teacher.
      I have always sung in a choir since I joined the church choir at the age of 11, and have conducted children’s choirs as well as adult choirs. My favourite was to direct school musicals with children acting, dancing and singing to an orchestra. But I gave up school teaching 5 years ago to become a counsellor and a sound therapist, which I also love.
      I was so sad to come back to Hoylake years ago to find the swimming pool gone. I used to spend all summer there, even when the temperature was about 43F !!
      My Mum’s ashed were scattered off Meols prom 5 years ago, as were my father’s in 1972 (I think). So I occasionally return to look at Avondale Rd, West Kirby Grammar, Hilbre Island and the sea off Meols. I don’t suppose anyone will remember me, it’s been such a long time since I lived there. I am sorry to say I cannot remember any of the boys in the choir! (I was rather shy in those days!)

      • Margot Triggs Page says

        Hello Gill…..

        Sorry I am late but have just seen your posting. Yes, somebody does remember you. We went to school together at Market Street and got up to various bits of mischief together. It all seems a world away now. My parents live in Avondale Road and we often pass your old house and fondly remember you all. I live down in the Cotswolds these days…..but there is nowhere like Hoylake and its people. I love getting home. Alas, no swimming pool now but then that means that I don’t go blue with cold either!

        Margot Triggs

    • Ricky Cooper says

      Hi Meridel Nelson and John,

      I was talking to the Publicity Officer (Mr. Surridge) at St Hildeburghs last week – and he mentioned about :–
      Jeff Kernighan and Eddie Pearce who had both transferred to St Hildeburghs from Holy Trinity.Church.
      Unfortunately I believe that Eddie Pearce died some ten years ago, but Jeff Kernighan may be able to help with my research.
      Perhaps you could confirm that these two people are the same as those referred to in your Post ??

      Ricky Cooper

      • JOHN PARR says

        Hi Ricky –

        Eddie Piercey is buried next to my Mum in Trinity Road. He was a lovely guy and very hard-working. A familiar sight on his push-bike. I remember him becoming the verger of Holy Trinity and he and his family being confirmed as I was in the choir back then.

        Geoff Kernighan was always at St Hildeburgh’s and a member of the choir there. Geoff later joined the Hoylake Lifeboat and was mechanic for many years. He can still be encountered locally, a smashing guy.

        Best wishes – John (Parr)

        • Ian Barrowman says

          Hi John, sorry to butt in but totally agree about Eddie, I lost my son in a road accident in 1991, Eddie was a friend of my dads and arranged a free funeral for my stillborn son, Eddie junior was very good to my parents and i heard yesterday that he is quite poorly, oh and regards to Mike when you speak.

    • judith irvine says

      I remember Suzanne and Peter Clarke, i use to work with Peter when i first left college, we both were employed by West Kirby Residential School and i know he was still there very recently, his sister i believe worked in Moreton as a Dental assistant.

  13. John says

    John William Parr writes:

    I well remember the united evensongs! As local boys, we Parish Choirboys saw this as a kind of “Hoylake derby”. We came to St Hildeburghs for shared evensong at Harvest Festival. Jack Hale always told us to behave and stop chatting! But we actually had a pretty good choir. I was in the Parish Church choir from 1961 to 1969…I joined a week before my 7th birthday and could not see over the choir stalls. Malcolm Studholme was Head Boy, followed by John Cookson. Cookie had a great voice – I still have his old hymn book with his name in it. I inherited it when I became Head Chorister. Our choir included my brother Mike, Ray Millett, Andy Jones, Brian Jones, Russell Tattum, Paul Tattum, Rob Parry, Andrew Walters, Steve and Dougie Armitage. Lifeboat coxswain Dave Whitely was also a member. Our men included chimney sweep Fred Rimmer, Steve Case, Alan Powell, Mr Watts, and Neil Coslett who married Jennie in St Hildeburgh’s choir, was ordained but has sadly died. Our veteran…not nearly so fieresome as Mr Turnbull….was Mr Hopwood whom we grew to love and respect after he told us of his time in the trenches.

    Another occasion we used to get together for a united evensong was Trinity Sunday because the Parish Church was Holy Trinity. This used to be a “home fixture” for us. We always felt the poor relations of St Hildeburghs. You used to process behind a fine, brass cross…ours was wooden and had been glued at the top. We used to have the joint choir trips of course, they were great! Southport was the most popular, with fish and chips for tea in a cafe.

    I have a recording of our Parish Church choir made in about 1966. I am thinking of having it digitally remastered, it was recorded in Dickensian conditions. It would be fun to sell copies for charity. I suspect it is the only surviving recording of a choir at the old Parish Church…though I hope very much I am wrong. If anybody else has copies or old tapes of either the Parish Church or St Hildeburgh’s choirs it would be great to hear about them.

    My Dad was Head Chorister at St Hildeburghs under Mr Biller. A brilliant organist I believe and not a man to be trifled with. My Dad Billie never called him Norman, that’s for sure. He still reveres him now!

    I must stop there……great times! John Parr

    • Bernie Watts says

      John, I read your writeup with pangs of hiraeth (as it goes in the Welch), particularly when I saw the name of an old friend whom I met on the very first day he and his dad came to Hoylake. So I wonder if you have the contact information for Malcolm Studholme.

      Regards

      • John says

        Hi Bernie

        Well I don’t seem to have any contact details for Malcolm sorry.

        If anyone does, get in touch and I’ll sort something out.

        Cheers

        John C

      • JOHN PARR says

        Hello Bernie –

        I’m afraid I have lost contact with Malcolm Studholme. When i was in the choir myself I often used to chat to his Dad, a lovely man who always came to evensong. He was always pleasant and very dapper; they lived towards the bottom of Trinity Road, on the left as you go down to the beach.

        Cheers – John

        John Parr

    • Charles Morris says

      Hi, Meridel & John ! I remember you, John Parr, when you lived in the house in Government Road, which was demolished for the Council flats. Then you moved to Hazel Road. There’s no earthly reason why you would remember me, however.

      Regarding the church choirs, I was never in either (too shy) but my elder sisters (Barbara & Alison Morris) were both in St. Hidleburgh’s choir. This would have been in the very early 60′s; they would both have flown the nest by the time Meridel speaks of. Another name not mentioned is Maureen Stanley and a friend of mine, David Elston was in it for a while; as was his elder brother John and, I think, David Yeaman. I remember many of the people you name; several were also in the church youth club. I used to go to St. Hildeburgh’s evensong as a child and I particularly remember Mr. Turnbull who read the lessons; more awe-inspiring than God himself !

      I’m surprised the Parish’s organist Alan Galloway has not been mentioned. First-class organist when sober, but alas he was dismissed after playing The Battle Hymn of the Republic when he should have been accompanying the Nunc Dimittis. This due to one of his long sessions in The Lake Inn. After that incident, in 1963, Colin Legg of Kingsmead School took the post ; but only for a short while, I think. I believe one of the Miss Williamsons, who ran the sweetshop at the corner of Market Street and Elm Grove, used to play sometimes.

      Does anyone remember the curate round about 1960/61, a Mr. Paget ? He liked a tipple also, and had a quart tankard held for his use in the men’s bar of the Green Lodge. He was renowned for 5-minute sermons, but on one occasion he is believed to have had a measure or two and went on for well over half an hour. He used to ride round Hoylake on a squeaky bicycle and he lived in a house in Grosvenor Terrace. He got married, left, and his successor was Ivor Davies. The vicar at this time was Canon Devereaux.

      The Youth Club published a magazine for a short while, with some humorous articles featuring some of these famous characters. I could photocopy it for anyone interested.

      • says

        You are right Charles! Yes I was in St Hildeburghs choir around 1960-61, with Jack Hale as choir master, David Hale,John Elston, Heather Slade and many others. My brother Bill Yeaman was in the choir 8 years before with my cousin Tony Parry. I later joined Hoylake Presbyterian Church with the attraction of its Youth Club, in the days when the Reverend Evans was in charge.

        Would be good to hear from you after many years!

        • Gina kirkham says

          Hi Judith,

          Yes Alan did play the organ in the Stanley, my Dad Tony Dawson and Uncle Joe Haydock also used to play with him. In later years my Dad played the piano at The Blue Anchor…….he never used sheet music, he would just write the titles of the songs in columns on little bits of paper and would then stack the bits of paper on the music stand and away he would go….playing from memory.

          Dad used to tell me the story of Alan’s “resignation” from playing at church…although he told me that it was because he burst into a rendition of IF YOU KNEW SUZY………!

          I used to love listening to Dad play, still miss it.

          Regards
          Gina

      • Maureen Hall nee Stanley says

        Hi Charles I have just found this site and have really been having a trip down memory lane. I am the Maureen Stanley that you speak of and I do remember your two sisters. i also remember Mr Hall and Alan Galloway especially his rendition of the Dam Busters March on the Parish Church organ!!! More than made the roof rattle. I do remember Mr Paget, Canon Devereaux and his Dupuyten contractures of his fingers made his blessing unique becuase he could not straighten his fingers.
        Somebody mentioned The Junior School and Miss Jones I was terrified of her. So many memories .

        Regards to all
        Maureen Hall nee Stanley

  14. Andy K says

    A message for Elaine above: not sure of all my details but the Swainsons were the family who bought the big house, now demolished, caled the Dale – there’s a photo on this website – some time in the 1830s. The Dale was orginally planned as a hotel but was purchased by the Mr Timothy Swainson who would have been the father of the Rev. and was a merchant in Liverpool. He left a legacy to build the church so that local fishermen did not have to make the long walk to West Kirby each week (the nearest churches then would have been in West Kirby and Upton). The Dale was pulled down about one hundred year ago……

  15. Meridel says

    Charles, I also remember the Jaeger family. Giles used to go sailing on Coniston at the weekends, but used to be back in time for Evensong at St Hildeburgh’s. He used to sit at the back, in the side aisle. I can remember one Sunday night, in the days of one of the many Welsh curates, John Jones, who never preached for less than 20 minutes. Anyway he gave this thundering ‘And, yes, my friends…..’. In the deathly quiet that followed, Giles could be heard snoring, none too gently, at the back.

    The family were very kind, especially to the choir. During the 70s, John Richards started a 9:30am Family Communion the first Sunday in the month. Choir attendance was compulsory, as for Matins at 11am. At that time it was customary not to eat or drink before taking Communion. Therefore with very little time between the two services there was no time for the choir to get breakfast, something the Vicar had not considered. The sisters kindly invited the choir to take breakfast at their house. So, every month we traipsed across the golf course in our cassocks. One month the sisters were away and Giles looked after us. The sausages given by his sisters were replaced by smoked salmon sandwiches, perhaps his preferred Sunday Breakfast!

  16. John says

    John William Parr comments:

    I would love to see the photos of Hazel Road and School Lane to which Syd Bird refers. To my early recollection, there were 3 houses which stood higher than the rest on the seaward side of Hazel Road. Apparently my godfather’s family, The Tebbs, lived in one. They were the family who offered the donkey rides and horse and trap rides to Hilbre. My godfather Harry was the first Hoylake UDC custodian of the island in about 1943.

    The old houses were demolished and the council built 3 homes there, we lived in number 11. We were moved from the old Coastguard House in Goverment Road where we had lived for 12/6d per week. My Dad Bill still has the old rent book.

    On the opposite side of Hazel Road where Hoose Court now stands were a number of cottages with long gardens. There was a quaint old sweet shop around the corner at the top of Schhol Lane. There were also small cul-de-sacs off School Lane itself. Behind the houses towered Hough’s timber yard…with it’s huge black sheds. A wonderful playground! Residents and old friends included Tim Hazelhurst, his Mum Eileen and late father Les, another local fireman Jack and Eileen Hazelhurst and their family, the Bulls, Ashtons, Nobes, and Chapples. We played football for hours on end…some great goals were scored in Hazel Road… and many runs scored in summer.

    The Parish Church curate lived in Grosvenor Road then verger Eddie Piercy and his family. I’m not sure of the number but someone will know it.

    • Charles Morris says

      John,

      I have a photo taken on the shore in about 1915, featuring a sign “G. Tebbs – Parties conveyed to Hilbre Island”. It is a detail in a view which shows the lifeboat house, the sailing club and the Lower Lighthouse. You may well have seen it and I’m sure Syd Bird has it, but should it be of any interest I could copy it for you.

      Regards,
      Charles Morris

    • Syd Bird says

      Hi John C and John P,
      I will send you the two photos I have of houses in Hazel Road /School Lane tomorrow,in the meantime I wanted to say that by far the best photo I have seen of School Lane is on the Hoylake Photographic Society website.
      Regards,
      Syd

    • diane hind says

      Hi John P,

      Have been following the discussion here with interest and talking about it with my mother in law Valerie,, she seems to think that its possible your family and her’s are related. Her Uncle was Harry Tebbs and Her mother was Amy Tebbs then when she got wed her surname was Burns, formerly of Hazel Road then moved when wed to West Kirby, She remembers your father Bill and thinks that somewhere down the line you are related.

      I remember Mr Piercy very well from when i Lived in Trinity Road opposite the church, nice man. my kids at the time always thought he was God doing his garden lolll he was very pleased with that when i told him. He thought it was hilarious.

      Diane

      • John says

        John W Parr replies:

        ello Diane -

        Harry Tebbs was my godfather and was the first Hoylake UDC custodian of Hilbre Island. Harry married my Mum’s cousin, Anne McDonald. At one time they lived in Caldy Road. In the early 50;s they emigrated and the family are now live on Vancouver Island. Anne is still going though now aged around 90. Sadly Harry died some years ago now.

        My Dad Bill Parr is still with us. He’s 86 and not in good health but he has not lost his charm!

        Great to hear from you.

        Best wishes – John Parr

        • diane hind says

          Hiya John

          Nice to hear that your dad hasnt lost his charm, you are distantly related then, Harry was my mother in laws uncle, Amy, Alice and May Tebbs were his sisters, May is still alive she is about 93 I think now and living with her daughter in Shropshire.
          Due to my parents being married twice Harry is also my sisters Uncle my dads first wife was Alice Tebbs, who died young, My sisters name is Shirley Beech

          Nice to hear from you to I will relay your comments to my Mum in Law

          Take Care

          Diane

    • Ricky Cooper says

      Hi John,

      Today my eye was caught whilst browsing comments from December 2010. Re- Hoose Court.

      Mr. W.G.Trueman, of 33 Hoose Court, Market Street, Hoylake. Aged 81 in 2001. Now 91 presumably.

      He told me then that he had researched the “TRUEMAN” name back to the 12th. Century, and had had a book of his Family Tree produced at a cost of £28.00. (his telephone number was 0151 – 632 – 4553)

      I thought no more about this until today – soooooooooooo

      Can anyone enlighten me regarding Mr. Trueman ?

      Ricky Cooper. My G’Grandfather, William Trueman, used to live 41 Groveland Avenue.

      • Eileen Thompson Drummond says

        If this is the same bill trueman, which I think it is. I was friends with his daughter Pam, she now lives in Leasowe. My Mum used to live in Hoose Court before it was pulled down. She knew Bill, I think he died a while back.

  17. John says

    Audrey Bamber writes:

    When I was a child in Hoylake in the 1930s, I remember a Wilf Sherlock who worked for R.C. Hughes in Market Street. Hoylake.

  18. Meridel Nelson says

    Hi John,

    Mr Hale also revered Norman Biller, the previous organist, and the man who taught Mr Hale to play the organ. In fact when he moved from Wallasey, as I think it was, to St Hildeburgh’s he was insistent that Mr Hale become the deputy organist, and join the choir. I don’t think either that he would have called him ‘Norman’, and his wife was Mr Biller’s daughter! Mr Hale was a very modest man, and, in my opinion, an excellent choirmaster. I fell in love with the organ at the age of 3 when taken to Matins, and was very lucky to be taught to play on the instrument there.

    Sadly Mr Hale felt he wasn’t sufficently well-qualified to teach me, but I was extremely lucky to be taught by one of the organ advisors to the diocese, a Mr Gilbert Curtis, who lived in the parish and who was organist and choirmaster at St Saviour’s. Sadly, my lessons were too infrequent due to his international commitments and my reluctance to practice hymns playing the bass on the pedals not to mention nervousness to have ever reached a standard to become deputy organist. In my first lesson, I was taught how to make that wonderful 3-manual instrument sound like a xylophone!

    Mr Hale used to search out stories to tell us during choir practice to make things more interesting, particularly the psalms. His 2 pet hates were tongue-laziness and lip-laziness. He used to leap off the organ bench during practices and disappear off down the church to check that every word finished correctly. His particular dislikes were words ending with a ‘t’ – he would say it sounded like someone calling the cat in, if he heard t-t-t-t-t and that old standard ‘world withoutendamen’ from the gloria he got rather cross. He believed the function of the choir and organist was not to be a virtuoso, but rather to ‘lead the congregation in the saying and the singing’ in the services.

    Both Mr Hale and Mr Turnbull has wanted to enter the church and be ordained, although neither was available to do so due to family commitments, but gave the same commitment to the choir.

    Towards the end of his life, Mr Turnbull was nearly completely blind, but read the lessons from memory. During all the Sundays after Trinity, he would do requests, and my particular favourite was the reading from Isiah starting ‘In the year that king Uziah died an angel appeared before the throne’. It still sends shivers down my spine.

    Regarding recordings of the choir, Mr Hale had made recordings of the choir for services like Cross of Christ, Risen with Christ, O come Emmanuel, and possibly for anthems, too. Maybe it would be possible to obtain copies from Claire or David. If they still exist, the tapes will be about 40 years old, so rather fragile.

    Gail – we did indeed have a dog – a Lakeland called Ruffy, he lived to be 17 and died in 1977. My parents never had another dog.

    I don’t think you could beat the atmosphere of the midnight service for mouthing ‘Happy Christmas’ across the chancel – then going home to put the turkey in the oven!

    Sorry for the length, feeling rather nostalgic tonight, not to mention 800 miles away!

    Regards

    Meridel

    • Georgina Kellen (Crosbie) says

      I came across this site quite by chance & it has brought many memories flooding back. I grew up in Hoylake in Dovedale Rd. I went to School Lane & then Market street school. I was christened at Trinity Church by Cannon Devereaux on the same day as Gina Dawson which I’m told was a bit confusing as we both had the same fairly unusual name.
      John, I remember you & your brother very well.I loved watching you sing. I was desperate to be in the choir but only boys allowed!! We used to attend half the service & then run off to Sunday School in the old church hall next to the park. I sang folk songs there years later every Tuesday evening. I carried banners for the Brownies & Guides proudly on Lifeboat Sundays. I was also very sad & annoyed when that lovely old church was demolished.
      I did get my way though & sang in the choir at St. Hildeburghs but cant remember exact dates & like you Meridel loved the breakfasts at the Jeager household. I think I even remember the smoked salmon Sunday ~ your memory is so much better than mine!! I do remember getting told off for making a noise pulling the newly starched hem of my cassock apart! I was married by Rev John Richards in St H in 1983.
      I also sang on Sunday evenings in the choir at the Presbyterian Church & sat through those sermons of Mr Evans. I went to the Youth club there & played badminton every Saturday with Amanda Hirst.
      Other memories ~ the baths, I got a contract for my birthday every May & went almost every day till it closed in September ~ rain or shine ~ the YMCA, trampolining & gymnastics every Tuesday & Thursday evening ~ guarding the ‘Bonny’ on the shore at the bottom of Clydesdale Rd ~ running out after the lifeboat tractor…….I could go on & on…..
      My parents still live in Dovedale Rd & I visit every month or so.
      I remember the Rice family & I had piano lessons from Heather Slade for years.

      Thanks for reminding me ~ what a great place to grow up :)

      Best wishes
      Georgina

      • Gina Kirkham says

        Hi Georgina,

        I remember that story so well, my Mum used to tell me every time someone made comment about my unusual name. She was apparently quite panic struck at the time, believing a mistake had been made and you had been given my name during the baptism!

        I visit The churchyard in Trinity Road every week, as sadly both my Mum and Dad, Sheila and Tony are buried there. They are on the ground that was left after the church was demolished.

        I still remember going through the “secret” gate that led from the playground of School Lane Infants into the churchyard, where we followed the winding path to the church for our Nativity Play. Such a terrible shame that a beautiful church that was the heart the heart of the community could be destroyed, but fortunate that such happy memories remain.

        My endearing memory of you Georgina, was your beautiful singing voice. My talent lay in ballet dancing, but i would listen to you sing with such admiration, and dare I admit it, a hint of child-like envy! I am sure you will remember Lesley Dutton who also had a talent for piano. She originally lived in Elm
        Terrace, along with Gilly Casey, Amanda and Jamie Lancaster, Julie Kernaghan, the McMullans, and Jane and Mark Croxten (their grandparents lived opposite my Nan and Grandad). Just by Lesleys house was a block of old fishermans cottages, which were partially demolished and then renovated to become a Scout hut which I think was affiliated to the church. My Uncle Joe Haydock who had one of the first Audio/Visual shops in the area lived in one of them.

        Gina (Dawson)

        • charles morris says

          Dear Georgina,

          I first met Joe Haydock when he opened the Audio Visual shop (must have been about 1972) and he became a very good friend of mine. My Mum invited him for Christmas dinner one year. He took my wedding photos several years later. After that I moved away and then unfortunately I seldom saw him. I knew he had a sister who, if I remember, died tragically in a fire where they both lived (above a shop in Market Street ?). I didn’t know he had any other relations.

          best wishes,
          Charles

          • Gina Kirkham says

            Hello Charles,

            He was a lovely gentleman. My Dad Tony Dawson was a business partner with Joe. I remember Uncle Joe looked a little bit like Vincent Price…..well at least he did to a very young me! he used to play the electric organ.
            My Dad was an amazing pianist who played at the Punch Bowl, then the old Stanley and in later years, the Blue Anchor. I used to sit and watch him in amazement…..he would place little scraps of paper where the music sheets should have gone…each scrap held about 10 titles of songs, and there would be 4 or 5 scraps……Dad would sit down, flicking out an imaginary “tailcoat” and then begin to play……all from memory….all he needed were the titles to remind him.
            My favourite was Moon River….which today can still make me dissolve into tears at the lovely memories of my dear Dad.

            Kind regards
            Gina

        • says

          Hi there! Julia Kernaghan here..
          I just happened upon this site, that I did not know existed until now.
          My nan lived in “Sundown” on Trinity Road… I can’t remember what number Trinity Road it was, but it was the last on that had the shorter gardens… ie the ones that abutted the back gardens of Shaw Street. However, the house had right of access through the back yard of one of the Shaw Street houses, and the garden door opened opposite Whiteley’s Fish shop. That house in Trinity Road was the only one with right of access to Shaw Street in that fashion, but I don’t know why.

          The houses on Trinity Road, including Sun Down, were of a different vintage to those that were in the part of the road moving down towards the beach. There were several different styles in the road.

          • Gina Kirkham says

            Hi Julia, did you used to live in Elm Terrace, in the corner next door to Lesley Dutton, and behind me (I lived in .Waverley Road).
            If so, my Nan and Grandad Dawson lived at 25 Elm Terrace.

            Gina (was Dawson)

    • Gerald Hale says

      Hello John … Mr Hale was my Great Uncle … my grandfather’s brother … Jack Hale … I new he played the organ, but never heard him play … but remember him singing hymns as he sliced the meat in in the family shop on Darmonds Green.

      Sadly the bakery and shop was closed when I was still at school – but I have great memories of the 1970s .. pre supermarket era – spent a lot of time at the bakery (Darmons Green) .. out delivering bread on Saturday mornings with Frank Hale (my Grandad) .. all over Wirral … they worked hard those bakers …. I have tried to continue by baking at home each week – but it is not the same..

      Jack Hale – yes, I can’t remember daring to misbehave … he was frightening … more .. he wore a tie to work – he was just simply an adult so you didn’t dare step out of line …

      Regards Gerald Hale gerryhale@blueyonder.co.uk

      • Ricky Cooper says

        Hi Gerald,
        Just nosing through 1901 Census for West Kirby and found this entry for Darmonds Green :-

        127 Mr Welch, Cabinet Maker
        128 Mr Trueman, Gardener
        129 Mr Jackson, Plumber and decorator

        William Trueman was my Great Grandfather, who moved to Groveland Avenue, Hoylake and was buried in Holy Trinity.1948.

        Regards Ricky Cooper.

  19. John says

    Audrey Bamber writes:

    Hi. I agree with you about the disappearance of Holy Trinity Church, Hoylake.. Do you know what happened to its contents? There were stained glass windows and boards with the ten commands painted on them, also a stone font. I have born in Hoylake in 1930 and remember it fondly. Also the vicarage next door, which became a British Restaurant during the last war. Audrey

    • JOHN PARR says

      IThe contents of the old Parish Church?

      I believe the stained glass windows were removed and the organ taken to another church elsewhere in the diocese. The wonderful old bell also would appear to have gone to another parish. Sadly, I heard the font just got smashed up in the demolition. I’d like to think not….I was baptised in that font like many of us…but that is what I heard.

      According to my Dad Bill, the old organ was originally pumped by hand with bellows. He said it did not sound too good but when it was electrified it changed it overnight. I remember it as having a beautiful, bright sound. I do hope it is getting good use still.

      The removal of the bell was very emotive at the time and still is. Many of us would love to see its return, not least because it was paid for by the local fishing community. I have posed the question to Chester Diocese to see what did happen to the organ, the windows and the bell. Just to see. I’ll let folks know if they can let us know.

  20. gill says

    My name is gill, my nan lived in no 4 trinity street until she passed away in 77 her name was nancy edwina shaw, her first husband was Henry Sanley and she remarried an Earnest Shaw, I was also christened at this church on the same day julien lennon was, mymother was mistaken for cynthia.

  21. sheila devlin nee Wray says

    Hello, I have just found this website and it has brought back flooding memories. I too went to the Infants School in School Lane and then to the Holy Trinity Junior school. I too remember Miss Rowlands and her foolptoof method of teching tables etc. Canon Deveraux was preparing some of us for confirmation at Holy Trinity Church, we tried to avoud the fron row as he spat when talking. Does anyone remember Mrs Hughes. I was a 1950s lettle girl..I took the 11+ and passed for West Kirby High. I did a year there then moved to Lincolnshire as my mother had died and relations took me in. My mother is in the churchyard in a family grave of the Webb family from Grove Road

    what a super site this is and I am desparately trying to trace roots and people..Gillian Pringle The Pearce family the Quilliams ..would love to find some connection

    Sheila

    • Bernie Watts says

      Hello Sheila,

      You may recall me, Bernie Watts, I certainly remember you. I seem to recall that you sat on the back row. I didn’t know your mum had died and that’s why you moved on, It must have been very traumatic for you. I remember Gillian Pringle, I think you sat next to her? if memory serves me correctly I emigrated to Canada nearly 40 yeras ago and currently live on the shores of Lake Huron. Incidentally did you marry a Hoylake Devlin?

      Regards
      Bernie

      • sheila devlin nee Wray says

        Hi great to hear from you ..and to hopefully a start of hearing about people from my childhood.

        My best friend was Hilary Quilliam and I lived in a flat over Billy’s in Market Street. I believe it is now a restaurant. Our address was Charles Road as we used the back exit obviously.

        I moved like I said and my Aunty and Uncle brought me up. My first teaching post was in Doncaster Yorks where I met my husband, Sadly we divorced after 12 years but still friends which is a good thing..so the Devlin part is nothing to do with Hoylake.

        I used to go to Holy Trinity church every Sunday though I had connections with St Hilderburg’s. I now go to a Holy Trinity church here in Doncaster..wheel come full circle !!

        I would love to hear from you and compare memories. Canada always seems such a wonderful country

        best wishes Sheila

        • Bernie Watts says

          Nice to hear from you Sheila, I remember Hilary as well; it all seems so long ago now; then again I guess it is. The world has certainly moved on to a place that seems very inconsistent with our childhood memories of the 50′s, that’s for sure.

          Canada is a great country, big, open and empty! We live out in the boonies right on the edge of Lake Huron, a fifteen minute drive from the border crossing between Sarnia in Canada and Port Huron in the US, a ten minute drive from Forest, Ontario.

          We have travelled extensively and my job, before I retired took us to many other countries in which we lived including China, Japan, Mexico and the Irish Republic.

          I am fortunate I have been married to the same lovely person for over forty years, she is Irish and we met when she lived in West Kirby. Her dad was with the then “Air Ministry”. We have three daughters, all with their own families, one of them returned to the UK for nearly ten years during which time she worked as a nurse at Arrowe Park Hospital receiving her degree in that discipline from John Moore’s. She later returned here and did a post grad in IT and has been in that field ever since.

          The other two did their degrees here in Canada one works at Child Services in Kitchener, Ontario and the other is in the Crown Attorney’s office in London Ontario.

          I am retired now and take life nice and easy, although I am on the Board of Directors of a Hi Tech company in Ottawa and keep my hand in that way.

          We are both quite active in our local Church, St. Christophers, although Marg, my wife, is better at it than me, I’m more suited to fishing and stuff like that, at least when the damn snow goes, we still have some hanging around even now! regarding the white stuff I think we are just about out of the woods but one can not really be certaiin until the end of May.

          Well thats about it for now.

          Regards
          Bernie

          • sheila devlin nee Wray says

            Hi Bernie, great to hear your news, you have had a very varied life !
            Mine seems quite mundane compared to yours..like I said, I trained to teach and have been doing that for the last umpty-nine years..a job that I adore and still do when I am needed in my school as supply..I still know most of the parents and children..it is an Independent school though I taught in the state for yonks.
            I have one son ..communications offiver for Cystic Fibrosis Soc though he did law at uni but didn’t want to practise..can’t tell them anything can you

            Our church is an Anglo- Catholic one..so all the probs with splits..it will get sorted. My mother was Catholic but married an Anglican so although I went to Holy Trinity in Trinity road I had different connections.as well..that all changed when she died when I was 11 and taken in by relis when I was 12 and my Father couldn’t cope with a little girl..I have had a great life though

            After Easter am off to Santiago de Compostella on a walking pilgrimage..done it before so have been out with my ruckie getting more practice

            you are so right about how places change. I have been back to Hoylake once and it was so much smaller than when I roamed the streets playng and on my bike. I am actually coming in August with a friend and her Aussie niece..hope to eat at the Golden Orchid ? which is the house I was born in 46 Market Street,,dying for a real nosy round

            well it is so good to have found this web site and that people are taking the trouble to contact me thank you all so much it means a lot

            take care and hopefully speak soon Sheila

    • Syd Bird says

      Great to hear about Market Street school in the fifties,I remember Mrs Hughes and Miss Rowlands not of course forgetting the Head Teacher Mr Molyneux who retired the year that I “graduated ” to the Parade(1953). In addition there was the husband and wife teachers Mr and Mrs Jones?. As for the Infants school in School Lane ,Miss Young was the head teacher when I was there

      • sheila devlin nee Wray says

        I probably was a bit before you at school as it wasn’t that name who was the Head..but I can’t remember his name now . I remember “Pop Powelly” who took year 1 we used to go into his room on wet plays and read comics..brill !!!
        I was born in ’45 so would be 49 or 50 when I started in the infants year not age !!! Just before I started at the infants my 2 years older brother got knocked over on Market Street by a bus ..died ..he had been taken over and ran back but that’s children isn’t it !! he was in either reception or the next class..I have been trying to get info but can’t access school log books
        I loved school but like I said aprt from sewing and maths !!!!
        Hoylake looks very vibrant these days from the website..we used to play on the golflinks by the railway station for hours on end..wouldn’t dare let little ones do that these days
        good to hear from you and anyone from that dim and distant time !!!!!!!!!!!!!
        I also used to haunt the children’s library also up near the staion
        best wishes Sheila (Wray )

        • Stu Rankin says

          Sheila :- If Syd ‘graduated to the Parade in1953 , he was born approx 1942 and is older , not younger , than you . As you said , Maths wasn’t your best subject !

          • sheila devlin nee Wray says

            I rest my case !!!!!
            the Head of the junior school was Mr Harrison as far as I can remember

            and as I say..what a good job I was ok at other things !!

            thanks for that ..silly me !!

            Sheila

          • Bernie Watts says

            One last thing Sheila

            School Lane Infants….
            Miss Young (dog was Jock, lazy devil always sleeping in a hammock)
            Miss Jordan
            Miss Parry
            Miss Gill?

            Market Street Junior….
            Miss Rolands (pegleg)
            Mr Powell (pop)
            Mrs Jones
            Mrs Hughes
            Miss Edwards

  22. diane hind says

    I too am a 50s child from School Lane, then Market St then the Parade School,I remember Mrs Hughes she was a nice lady she lived in Trinity Road on the corner by Avondale Rd, also remember Miss Rowlands or pegleg as we children called her, but obviously not to her face. She was a strict teacher but fair.
    My parents were friends with a John and Freda Devlin who lived in Hazel Road, any relation to you??

    Diane.

    • Bernie Watts says

      John and Freda Devlin were my uncle and aunty. Freda died many years ago and John went into a nursing home in Birkenhead. Even though I live in Canada I kept a house on Column Road, West Kirby until 1989 and I had him over once to meet with my mum, his sister. Mum died in 1996 and I assume that John has passed on also.

      Bernie

    • sheila devlin nee Wray says

      Helo Diane yes Mrs Hughes was lovely wasn’t she. The only things I didn’t like were sewing as I wasn’t any good at those practical things and often used to lose the needle arggg !!!! Also I was not good at Maths and didn’t really understand,,my English must have been tons better as I passed the 11+ and walked most days along the side of the golf course to West Kirby Grammar and yes I was scared of “peg -leg”

      I went to college and have now just retired from teaching although I spend quite a lot of time going back to my old school doing supply.

      As I said to Bernie the Devlin part comes from here in Doncaster where I have lived for the past umpty-nine years hopefully as I have already said..I would love to keep in touch with people if possible..I think most people feel drawn to their roots don’t they. I spent may happy summer holidays on the beach at the end of Alderley Road, at the baths and going to the cinema on Sat afternoons- Alderley road? watching the children’s matinees and then galloping home up the road at the end depending on what the films had been

      take care best wishes Sheila

      • diane hind says

        Hi Sheila

        Yes the cinema was in Alderley Road, though in my younger days i prefered the Tudor in West Kirby now knocked down and getting ready to be an Aldi supermarket.

        The beach in those days was lovely nice soft sand these days the sand is wet and full of midges not nice at all. Such a shame.

        I too had great fun in the baths I spent most of my summers in there, like most of us did i suspect. Happy days.

        take care

        Diane

      • Bernie Watts says

        Appreciate the note Sheila, travel has it’s advantages and drawbacks
        (sometimes seems that you don’t really fit in anywhere). Nice to hear that
        your boy is doing well and I wish him luck. I hope your pilgrimage (the
        longest in Europe I think) goes well and that you don’t wear out too many
        running shoes. Marg and I went on a Pilgrimage a few years ago to the Holy
        Land, I would certainly recommend it, you can’t get any closer than to walk
        where He walked.

        Several years ago we went on a sort of “pilgrimage” (if a Catholic can call
        it that) to Tibet, we spent some time visiting temples and shrines before
        driving out through the high passes to Kathmandu in Nepal. It was something
        I had always wanted to do ever since I won a book prize, about the Forbidden
        Land, at the Presbyterian church in Hoylake when I was about six years old.

        Regarding your mum while I don’t know how you feel I do have some
        understanding of what you went through in that Marg’s mum died when she was
        only nine and that has had a huge impact on her and her family. In one
        respect she was more fortunate than you as notwithstanding the breakup of
        the family, (she was admitted as a boarder into a convent in Ireland for two
        years) her dad was able to get the family back together (eight children) in
        England.

        Regards
        Bernie

        ps have a great trip back to Hoylake

  23. diane hind says

    Hi Bernie,

    Nice to hear from you, sadly john passed away must be ten years ago now, possibly more his daughter still lives in Greasby so i believe. I used to see her around Hoylake she had a little clothes shop at the top of Manor Road for a while, then Pat retired I think. But that is going back oh 32 years ago i used to buy clothes from her for my daughter who was a toddler.

    Cheers Diane

  24. Sue says

    Does anyone remember old Mr. Riding, from Trinity Road? He had a horse and cart and used to sell fruit and veg from street to street
    I remember several Riding kids, Alison, Tony, Richard and an older daughter whose name I forget.
    There was also a blacksmiths at the back of Trinity Road. I think the smithies name was Fleet…
    Whiteley’s “chippie” was in Walker Street…mmm I can taste them now.
    The smell of bread early in the morning from Brosters the bakers

    Someone on the site, mentioned an Eliza Teeton married to a Mr. Stanley. They were distant relations of mine. In fact their grandson, Stephan Stanley is buried in the very first grave in the Holy Trinity graveyard.

    Wonderful memories of Hoylake as a teenager. The baths in Summer, Grove park, the Parish Hall dances…even better ones at the YMCA and of the coffee shop opposite…was it the Lantern?
    Such glorious innocent days…never to return.

    Thanks for this wonderful website, so full of long lost memories.

    • Bernie Watts says

      You missed out Les and Colin Ryding I think, their dad’s name was George, or Garge as we children all called him (never to his face).

      I believe he was the last fruit merchant that sold veggies from a horse drawn cart in Hoylake. He kept the horse in a stable at the end of a small lane at the intersection of Shaw street and Grove Road and it was the greatest of thrills for us children to be there everyday around five oclock just to watch Mr Ryding put the nose bag on the horse and to watch him (the horse) munch away on the oats. AlsoI recall old Mr Fleet, working away on his hand or foot operated forge letting us watch the horses being shod, ( you had to be careful as if the smithy did something wrong the horse would kick out)

      However even as time goes by and the world changes for good or worse it can’t take away those golden memories of a simpler time.

      Regards
      Bernie

      • Sue says

        Thanks Bernie. You just made me smile and made my day!

        How could I have forgotten little Les Ryding?
        Didn’t Richard Ryding go away to sea?
        Do the family still live in Hoylake?

        Also remember the old horse and his nose bag….oh what great days they were.
        Regards
        Sue

        • Ian P says

          There was a good attendance of Rydings at the last Parade reunion.
          “Old” Mr Ryding was in the bed opposite to me at the Cottage Hospital in 1964 (I cut my knee in a motorcycle collision – sewed up by Dr Ashe). They confirmed that he was their grandad and sadly died around that time.

      • Mark Ryding says

        Hello all,
        I am Les Ryding’s son and am fascinated to read about my granddad George and his horse and cart, I don’t remember George at all as I was born in 1964. I remember Rebel the dog and visiting nan Joan Ryding in Trinity Road, and walking from Moreton to Hoylake baths in the summer holidays
        I believe my parents used to live above a butchers shop as well
        If anybody could tell me more I would be most grateful
        Mark

        • Alyson Tornerup (RYDING) says

          Hi mark just spoke to richard and he said speak to your dad as he has got a copy of the family tree. Hope you and Mel are keeping well.

          Love Aly

    • sheila devlin nee Wray says

      Hi I don’t remember these people but does anyone else remember a man who used to sell fish from a roadside stall on the corner of Market Street and opposite Alderley Road? It was on the road that passed Charles Road..just up from a garage on the corner of Charles Road. As far as I remember we used to get some fish from him. (late 40s early 50s)

      Also does anyone remember Mabel Webb who lived at 10 Grosvenor Road, she had 2 daughters, Daphne and Audrey..I have a feeling that when Daphne got married, she and husband took over a chippy somewhere along the main road towards Trinity Road…I think !!

      best wishes and thanks again for such a brilliant site Sheila (Wray)

        • sheila devlin nee Wray says

          oh dear..very sadly …no..can you enlighten me

          my memories are quite disjointed of the time I lived in Hoylake…some things are very familiar but others seem to be not on my rada so to speak

          perhaps I wasn’t very observant as a little girl

          regards Sheila

        • Gina Kirkham says

          Hi,

          My daughter is married to one of the Triggs, Christopher….who has followed in the family tradition and still fishes locally, he is also a licenced Cockler……..their 2 1/2 year old daughter proudly helps Daddy at weekends in her “M Triggs & son” sweatshirt when he calls to see his customers……I think she may also follow in her Daddy’s footsteps as she loves tractors, boats etc.,
          I’ll ask Chris if he knows….he’s very much into family history and the fishing tradition.

          My Uncle Peter Highams from Queens Road used to cycle up and down Market Street on an old “sit up and beg” cycle that had a huge metal frame on the front for a basket which was filled with vegetables from his allotment and sometimes fish he’d acquired from Meols slipway when the boats came in. He would sell along Market Street when people stopped him…this would have been in the late 50′s early 60′s….he was in his 80′s then…….my friends from Market Street school thought he was Popeye due to his looks, dungarees and the pipe that dangled from his mouth!
          Gina

  25. John says

    John Parr writes:

    I can remember George Ryding and his horse. I also remember his dog….an Alsatian called Rebel. As small children we were terrified of Rebel who used to walk alongside the horse and cart. We thought he was a wolf but I daresay he was a lovely dog.

    I can remember being utterly amazed when I saw someone rush out with a dustpan and brush, sweep up the horse droppings and put them around her rose plants. Very strrange behaviour I thought….welcome to organic gardening!

    The man who sold the fish was Mr Kiffin. He and his mother lived in School Lane and sold fish from a green handcart. To watch them fillet a fish was a treat – they were so quick and skilled. And the fish were so fresh. Hoylake plaice!

    John Parr

    • diane hind says

      I remember Rebel,Alisons dog, and Mr Ryding I went to school with Alison. Alison lives in Trinity Rd, Colin lives in Canada somewhere, I don’t remember fish being sold on the main road apart from the fish shop, but the name Mr Kiffin rings a bell
      I remember Mrs May Hughes who sold fish from a handcart and went knocking door to door to sell the fresh fish Her husband had caught.

    • Don Johnson says

      I can remember that, in the last year of the war and the years that followed, until my famly moved to Greasby in October 1948, we had three bakers in Hoylake, Brosters was one. I remember that one was on Walker Street, one was at the corner of Melrose Avenue and \i hink the other was further up Market Street.
      Brosters and the one from melrose Avenue used horse and cart to travel their delivery round.
      The milkman also used a horse and cart but he had a churn on the cart with dippers that measuered half a pint and one pint and he dipped them into the churn and poured the milk straight into a jug for the housewife.
      They each had a bucket and shovel hanging on the back of the cart to collect the horse’s contributions – talk about hygiene and health & safety – thanks goodness they hadn’t been invented.
      There was a standing question of kids at the time of “what are you going to do with the stuff in the bucket, mister?” “Put on my Rhubarb!” “Ooh. We put custard on ours.” You then had to be able to duck very quickly to avoid a clip round the ear – something yo didn’t tell your mum tha you’d been given becauae she would give you another one. How times have changed.
      We used to climb trees and walls and if we fell, we learned to be more careful next time. We would make go carts with and old wood, an old pram wheel and bits of string and run them up and down roads and down hills if we could find one – the bottom of Tinity Road was a favourite and it was usually just as you hit the toilet block that you remembered that you had fogtten to fit brakes.

      Does anyone remember the static water tank on Grove Road at the back of the Parish Hall. Some kids used it as a mini swimming pool when the water was hot. That water was to be used in case of fire in the hall and was never changed so it was have been heaving, but no one even thought about that.
      When you think of some of the things we used to get up to as kids, and think about the same things today, it is a wonder we are still alive – but we are and with good memories of those days.

  26. sheila devlin nee Wray says

    still reading all the comments on the website and trying to piece together life in the years from 1945 to 1956/7
    does anyone remember the Miss Keoghs – I think that is the spelling they lived next door to us on Charles Road. They seemed ancient to me and when we went into their house..on invitation only of course, they had several stuffed birds in those glass covers.
    I am also trying to find anyone who might remember my parents, especially my Mum..Mr and Mrs Wray..also if anyone remembers my brother who got knocked over on Market Street in about 1949/50..Leslie he was 5 nearly 6 – like others I am trying to find some roots…the contacts I have had have been really super but am still hopeful ! best wishes and many thanks for all info so far Sheila

    • Bernie Watts says

      Sheila, are you sure they were called the Miss Keoghs and not the Miss Corrin’s (Coren’s). If they are the same people then I knew their nephew Cedric quite well. He was a jeweler in Heswall and his wife and my wife had their first babies together in Clatterbridge.

      Its funny how a comment such as the one about your brother can trigger a memory, I believe I do remember the death of your brother, or at least I think I do, I recall my mum running into our house and announcing she had just seen a little boy killed on Market street by a bus, I am guessing it was on a Saturday as she had been out shopping and my mum worked during the week, I was off school so it must either have been a holiday or a weekend.

      It really was a long time ago but I can ‘see’, in my minds eye, s picture of me, looking up at my mum when she was telling us, she seems quite tal so I must have been quite small which sort of fits with the timing of your brothers death.

      I dont know if you have been following another thread between myself and Lynda Cooper, she has been telling me about her brother Peter, who was also in our class if you go to it you will find many names that you should recall from our childhood as well as other comments about the adults who controlled us and some characters we all knew.

      Regards
      Bernie

      • sheila devlin nee Wray says

        Hi there. I have been away walikg the Camino so am a bit behind in replying. Yes it could have been Corrin but Keogh sticks in my misty memory but I wouldn’t stake my life on it

        The little boy , my brother Leslee what a spelling !!!!!!!!!!!! was knocked over and killed on March 2 1949 at 8.48 am Wed morning by a single decker going to Caldy..so he must have run back over the road..I got this info from the report in the newspaper

        I wonder if your Mum was just on her way to work as it was busy the paper says

        I keep trying to piece things together and find people who might remember me or me them if you know what I mean I would like to pass on info to my son about my very early life which is why I keep posted with this super forum it is also good to hear from people who know the town well and can remember things..so much better than me !
        take care best wishes Sheila

      • sheila devlin nee Wray says

        Hello Bernie..the above answer was to your query about whether it was Corrin or Keogh the old ladies who lived next door on Charles Road and the little boy, my brother who was knocked over in 1949 on Market Street and died…however I forgot to put your name at the start..senior moment!!!!

        I wonder if anyone else has any memories of that time / incident as, like I said, I am trying to trace and put together a clearer picture of when I lived in Hoylake

        All best wishes Sheila

        • Bernie Watts says

          Thanks Sheila, I was away for a few days one of the grandchildren had a dance competition in Niagara Falls .

          Notwithstanding the day of the week, I do remember my mum coming in quite upset and telling us children about it. Mainly from the “Never cross the road without a grown up perspective”.

          Also I would comment that the you may well be right regarding the Keogh’s as the Ms Corrin’s lived in the grove area in Sea View I think. They were a delightful couple of characters.

          Regards
          Bernie

  27. JOHN PARR says

    Hi Val –

    Apparently we are second cousins! Your grandmother Margaret Parr was my great aunt, sister of my Grandad John Washington Parr of 5 Back Seaview, Hoylake.

    Best wishes – John Parr

  28. Gordon Evans says

    Hi John/Val

    Should you be interested, both your ancestors – John Washington PARR and Margaret PARR – feature in my extended family tree by virtue of their eldest sister Eleanor Annie Elizabeth PARR (b1888 Hoose) having married butcher James LEICESTER (b1888 Hoylake) in 1909.
    The couple had a son John born later the same year but he died an infant early in 1911.
    Sadly, Eleanor Annie herself died in 1914 at just 25 years of age.

    • Keith Hatton says

      Hi Gordon,

      My Great Great Grandmother was Susannah Parr (c.1817 – 1877). I have her birthplace as Neston and she married James Hatton of Little Meols (1818 -1892). They are both buried in St Bridget’s churchyard.

      I do not have any details of Susannah’s family and wondered if you have a record of her in your extended family tree?

      Thanks

      Keith

      • Gordon Evans says

        Hi Keith

        I have James HATTON’s bride in my family tree as Susannah PYKE, baptised on 26 January 1816 in Neston St Mary & St Helen, daughter of Thomas PYKE and Susannah PARR, who married on 24 July 1809 in Neston.

        Susannah PARR was baptised on 24 April 1791 in Neston, daughter of Peter PARR and Susan ELLIS, who married on 5 May 1776 in Neston.

        James HATTON is believed to have married Susannah PYKE on 17 April 1837 in Birkenhead St Mary, both the IGI and familysearch.org having mis-transcribed the groom’s name as James WATSON,
        I intend to check this out on my next visit to Birkenhead library, who have copies of the Birkenhead St Mary parish registers on microfilm.

        • Gordon Evans says

          Hi again, Keith

          Managed to find time to check the Birkenhead St Mary marriage register today. The event there on 17 April 1837 was most definitely between Susannah PYKE and James HATTON (not WATSON as per the IGI).

          Witnesses to the marriage were a Charles & Mary ELLIS, so may have been relatives of the bride (ELLIS being her maternal grandmother’s maiden name).

          Hope this is of some help?

  29. says

    Hi Sheila, I remember very well the day your brother died in that terrible accident.I was just coming up to ten and on my way to school in Market Street. I remember the police coming into the School to talk to any of the children who had seen the accident and could help with any of the their enquries. Bye the way my maiden name was Jones, I have two younger sisters Carol and Barbara Jones. We lived at 15 Cable Road, and Gillian and Margery Pringle lived next door to us at no 13. Our back door was on Charles Road to. We lived opposite Miss Jonese’s little shop, it was a little tea shop as well she used to make delicious fudge and toffee and sel it over the counter and if you wanted just to buy a single triangle of Dairylea cream cheese to put on a sandwich, she did. We all used to play out in the street I am sure we must have all played together. I remember well Jennifer and Barbara Wilson, they were best friends of my sisters. I am sure they lived near to you, they lived over a shop as well. I remember the shop you lived over as Billies, If I remember right there was a little tea shop at the back of the shop. Does anyone remember a Doreen Stanley from Hadfield Avenue, she had a younger brother Roger. I must try and remember more things If I can.
    Bye for now
    Helen Carr.

    • sheila devlin nee Wray says

      Hello sorry been so long in answering this but I have been away for a few days and am just catching up.
      The little boy was a week before his 6th birthday and I was 4..I just about remember him ..so sad and must have been a shock to all the children in the schools etc to say nothing of my parents
      I know where your house was/is and I remember the little shop on the corner..I seem to remember it also selling little bits of groceries..if I have the right place. I knew Gillian but not her sister but as you say, I am sure we all played in the street at some point. I had a trike and then a small 2 wheeler which I used to zoom up and down on pretending to be Hopalong Cassidy whom we used to see in the Saturday afternoon matinee in Alderly road cinema
      Next door to me over Billies was a family and us girls played together presume it was either 44 or 48 and opposite us was my Aunty Mabel’s house at 10 Grosvenor road..also used to play with a family up the road from me whose Mum took in lots of foster children..one of those was called Jennifer and there was a Liz and a Mary and a big brother David..Jennifer grew up and married a curate called Neil Coslett..do any of thse names ring a bell with you
      I’d love to get a peep at the school’s log books to see what was said about my brother..or me for that matter
      anyway thanks for the comments. it is good to hear from you Sheila
      Oh yes, there was a little cafe at the back of the shop ..Billies..as far as I can remember my Mother used to help out in the shop and I used to play in our back yard..I have a feeling it is a reastaurant now..I’d love to go and have a good nosy round!

      • Syd Bird says

        With regards to Billies,my Auntie Gwen (Bird) worked in the little cafe for quite a few years in the late forties/early fifties.

    • Irene Smith (Mitchell) says

      Like so many of us, memories get a little fuzzy at times. The one thing for sure…nobody who grew up in Hoylake can ever

      forget how special it was to do so. I remember a girl, Margery Pringle and there couldn’t have been more than one. Would love to know how she is and where she is and hopefully connected to this wonderful site.

      • Ian Barrowman says

        My mum seems to think Marjorie was married to Swazzie Turner, though shes not 100% sure and she thinks she died more than 10 yrs ago, hope mums memory is still good enough though it is fading.

    • Mike Wilson says

      This site is amazing.The girls you mention, Jenny and Barbara Wilson are my younger sisters. We lived at 44A Market Street over a gardeners shop called Arthur Lewis’s, next door to Billie’s cafe where Sheila Wray lived. I recall Leslie had been on an errand to The Gem, the little sweet shop and tobacconists, next to the Echo office on the corner of Lake Place, and stepped out behind a stationery bus, into the path of another bus coming in the opposite direction. It shocked everyone.
      Other memories of childhood friends include playing on the corner of the municipal golf links with Brough Jones(Archie), Phil and Ernie Sandalls, Ken Dean (Dixie), David Mercer, Geoff Harrop,Tank Parry, Ron Jones, Sandra Edwards, Lesley Quilliam, Vivian Richards to name but a few. Sledging on the sandhills by Red Rocks, diving in to the sea off the old jetty, Hilbre Sundays, the Curly slide in the baths or forming the bomb brigade off the 3 metre springy. I remember Ron Jones’ little sister, Barbara, who was so small she was known as “Little Dinkie”, coming to tell us that she was going into hospital to have an operation to repair the hole in her heart, and that when she came out, she would grow big and strong. Sadly, she did not recover and died in the hospital. So sad, but Hoylake was a wonderful place to grow up in, and I love reading about it here.

  30. says

    Sheila Devlin nee Wray
    Hello Sheila, So nice that you remember our house. My two sisters were around your age I think, Carol and Barbara Jones. Gillian Pringle lives somewhere in Rock Ferry I think, not far from my sister Carol.
    Bye for now. Helen.

    • sheila devlin nee Wray says

      Hi Helen good to hear from you
      I was trying to remember the name of a family I mentioned whose Mum did a lot of fostering..well it was Pearce…they lived in that road that seemed to be an extension of Charles Road going in the direction of the school via the back way over what we called the bomb site..something to do with a long garden called The Paddocks
      Do you remember a Judy Jelly and a Hilary Quilliam all part of our little group who “haunted” the streets ,played on the beach and the golf links near the station ?
      Our street was cobbled but it was fun riding the bikes over the bumps
      Gillian lives in Rock Ferry now you say..presume it is her sister that passed away someone was saying
      The more I read on this super site, the more the fuzzy memory gets stirred..it is a great site

      all the best Sheila

  31. says

    irene smith nee mitchell
    Hello irene, You were asking about Margery Pringle. Lovely Margery died in 1997. I think Gillian is the only one left now. Yes you are right Hoylake was a great place to grow up in.
    Bye for now,
    Helen.

    • Irene Smith (Mitchell) says

      Thank you Helen for responding to my post. Sorry to hear about Margery though. Again, many fond memories. I remember playing over at Margery’s and had played way past the time to go home….her mother walked me home to make sure I reached it okay as it was quite dark by the time we got there. It was quite a walk from their place to where I lived and I’ve thought about that from time to time. What a sweet and caring person she must have been.

  32. says

    Hello Don,
    The Broster bakers you mention did live in Walker street, they were my mother’s cousins. The Brosters in Market street lived at 78 Market street which was joined on to Jesse Bird’s house. That is still standing but they pulled down our old Farm House in early 1960′s. My mother was born in that Farm House in the 1920. Grandad Broster had two horses that joined up with Jesse Birds to pull the Lifeboat out to sea when there had been shipwrecks. The Broster you mention from Melrose Avenue who’s horse and cart was used on their delivery round, would have proberly been my Grandfather.
    Best wishes,
    Helen Carr.

  33. says

    Sheila Devlin [nee] Wray
    Hello Sheila,
    I have just been speaking to my sister Carol [nee] Jones and that you were looking for anything about the Pearce family. Carol says she was in Heswall Maternity Home with her in 1972 when they were both having there babies, small world. Carol also says that she remembers your back door and going up a long passage. Carol and my other sister Barbara, were also pals of the Quilliam sisters. Just a little bit more information for you. If I remember anything more I will let you know.
    bye for now,
    Helen Carr.

    • sheila devlin nee Wray says

      Helen Carr

      Helllo again good to hear from you with the bits you remember..yes our passage was long, cobbly and quite dark but great for playing in when it rained..if it ever did !!!

      Fancy the connection in the nursing home. Mrs Pearce looked after me a lot the year my Mother died and the year after that when I was going to West Kirby High School ..it was an odd couple of years

      I have been vaguely in touch with Hilary Quilliam but she doesn’t seem to want to take it further than a Christmas card a couple of years ago..I am saddened by that but that’s life isn’t it.

      If any other things do come to mind about those days and people whom you feel I might know / remember I would be thrilled to hear from you or anyone for that matter.

      I gather that our flat over Billies is now a retaurant..I would love to go and have a good nosey round

      I remember from school a lad called Dennis Housley ..only remember him because we had to do some sort of country dancing together along with everyone else at school..I was most ungainly I seem to remember

      anyway thanks for all the info best wishes Sheila

      • Bernie W says

        Sheila, somewhere I have a photograph of Denis Housley, Les Riding and myself taken when we were around 14 years of age.
        When I find it I’ll pass it along.
        Regards

    • says

      Sheila Devlin nee Wray/ Helen Carr

      Hi Sheila/Helen; Remember skipping in the road with our parents “turning up”? Remember playing tennis against “Aunty Nells” wall? Remember writing on the bay windows to each other when we all had measles? Joannie Pearce works at Cammel Lairds, only she is now known as Bird – having married Pete Bird (butcher). I believe her sister lives on Leasowe Road somewhere. Wasnt Marj pringle married to Swasie Turner? Do you remember the others from our street: Sandra Edwards; Janice Tole, Malcolm Tole; Ernie Sandalls; Peter, Paull and Viv Richards; Bruff Jones, Alison Jones, Liz Cannon, Barb,Carol and Helen Jones, Dinkie Jones, Benny Smith. Cant remember any more. Do remember Judy Jellie tho she wasnt from our street. Oh it was definitely the Miss Keogh’s who lilved at 48. The church used to deliver coal to their back yard, but they were so frail they couldnt carry up to their flat, my Dad used to help them, and then when there was one left, she used to come to us for Christmas Dinner. Dont know about no 46 now, but remember Lily and John Holden living there, with children Stephen and Mandy. The situation was the same for them as when you lived there. I know no 44 is a flat over the shops, but thats all I know. You can find me on facebook, and our Jen (Jenny Dean) and Mike Wilson and Victor Wilson. Take care and hope you manage to fill in some blanks. Barb

  34. John says

    John Parr writes:

    Lesley and Hillary Quilliam had a brother John lived in Station Road.The girls used to babysit my brother Mike and me though they weren’t much older themselves. Their Dad was Jack, a lovely man who was the Council’s chief rent collector. He rode around on a moped, doing his rounds, and was a frequenter of the Men Only bar in the Stanley Hotel. His wife was Kay Quilliam who used to be the cashier in Tolls clothes shop on Market Street. A super family, we were very fond of them.

    • sheila devlin nee Wray says

      John Parr

      Hello and thanks for that information. I remember Hilary’s brother and Mum when they all lived at 1 Station Road but I don’t remember the rest of the family…they sound really lovely. Hilary and I started school together and were best friends until we went to different schools after the 11+ exam when we lost touch and then I moved to Lincolnshire.

      I see that the primary school is now a private house and the new school is over the road ? Also I used to haunt the library when it was in that huge building up near the railway and fire station..or was it a post office..I also gather that the Infants school is no longer there and of course Holy Trinity has long since gon although the churchyard still exists ..does anyone tend it I wonder.

      all the best Sheila

  35. says

    Sheila Devlin[nee] Wray Hello Sheila, I am sorry I did not mention that my sister Carol was in the Nursing Home with Brenda Pearce, when they were both having their babies . I should have put Brenda’s name down in my first e-mail. Bye for now. Helen.

  36. John says

    John Parr comments:

    Hello Sheila -

    The large building you remember which housed the library was in fact the Town Hall. The library entrance was at the side in Charles Road. My Dad Bill can remember looking out of the Town Hall window on that corner in the snow and ice of 1947 when a lorry lost control and smashed into the corner of the building. My Dad kept the weather records for Hoylake for more than 30 years. The lowest temperature he ever recorded was during the winter of 1947, minus 23 degrees centigrade.

    Jack Quilliam was one of his very best friends, a very kind and generous man I used to call Uncle Jack. Many of the people who worked for the Council in those days remained with Hoylake UDC for years. I remember many of them as really fine people. Frank Evans and Charlie Alcock who drove the refuse vehicles. Frank was one of the finest drivers I have ever known. Walter Gallimore, the foreman, Lennie Longman, Walter Speechley who looked after the parks and gardens, Sid Dutton who was in charge of Hoylake baths, Harold Hardman who ran the payroll and even today, in his 90′s can remember all the staff numbers. Alan Morris ran the tennis tournament which had crowds second only to Wimbledon. All very special people who gave great service to Hoylake.

    • Ian P says

      I remember the library was very small, and I think it might have re-used the space occupied by the original fire station which would have held one horse drawn steam pump. I am sure the entrance arch is still visible. (there is a photo of the Hoylake brigade brass band circa 1900 which features my grandad John Griffiths, not sure if it on this site, but I have seen it on line somewhere – I have an Advertiser reprint of it if anyone wants me to scan it, but newscutting are screen printed and it is not easy to scan)

      The library had the smell of Johnsons’ Wax, and the only sound you could hear was the flapping of the little swing doors which were alongside the reception desk.

      The only memory I have of my grandfather was from 1947 seeing him helping to repair a pram so we could get some Coke from the gas works (it was frozen solid!).

      I also remember “Happy” Brumfitt, our street sweeper with his little hand cart. He went to school with my mum, so would have been born around 1910. I am not sure if he eventually got an electric cart, but I was told that his wheels also fitted a popular 3-wheeler and might have been borrowed without his knowledge as they had good tyres. Happy looked at them and guessed he must have walked a lot of miles to wear them down so quickly!

      • Ian Barrowman says

        Crikey, Happy Brumfitt, theres lots of names appearing from the past that bring a smile to my face, thanks for that Ian.

        • Ian Barrowman says

          Thanks Gail, i remember him from my days at the parade, he used to have a little rest time on the prom behind the gardens, he was always smiling and the knickname suited him well

    • sheila devlin nee Wray says

      Hello John. .I can see now that the building would be the Town Hall as it was very imposing and the library part seemed to me to be very “posh” as it was all wood and polish. I spent many a happy time there as a little girl, My mother also used the Boots lending library on Market Street..wasn’t it next to a chemist called Jennings ?

      The people you mention I am sure I must have seen them going about their work but obviously it would not have registered with me. What a lovely person Jack Quilliam appears to have been. I don’t really remember him, only Hilary and her Mum.

      I used to walk along the Cinder path a lot then when I went to school in West Kirby..I used it at times in the summer although I can’t remember what I did in bad weather..presume there was a bus that got us there in time or the train.

      Thank you all who are helping me to build up a picture of life in Hoylake from say 1950 to 1957/8 when I left the area when I was about 12. It is fascinating looking at these memories of everyone

      Sheila

  37. says

    Ian P.
    Hello Ian,
    Are dad made a wooden cart with four super wheels and we had to go over the lines to the Gas Works for coke every Saturday. Occasionally we use to hook our big strong terrier dog to the cart and he used to tow it for us. I wonder if the cinder path to West Kirby was so called because the Gas Board put down their coke for the surface. Helen Carr.

  38. John says

    Lyn comments:

    Hi Syd
    Yes I would love any help you can give me regarding family tree. Can you please show me your ancestral line too. So I can see where you fit in please
    Thanks

    • Syd says

      I think I must be related to everyone on this forum ???
      My Grandfather was Herbert Gladstone Eccles (Sea View)
      My Grandmother was a Catherine Lydia Liversage
      (5G) GT GT GT GT GT GRANDFATHER MICHAEL ECCLES 1712

      Unfortunately I am no longer able to Run FTM on my Computer as I am on Win 7X64, however I have sent the Gedcoms I have to HoylakeJunction.com

      Syd

      • Gordon Evans says

        Hi Syd
        You’re certainly related to me (fifth cousins, I believe) – our common ancestors being Hoylake fisherman Peter JONES (born c1743) and his wife Elizabeth HUGHES, reputed to have been aged 103 when she died in 1845.

  39. John says

    John Parr comments:

    George Wharton was another street sweeper. A diminutive chap, a real gentleman who always wore a collar and tie.

  40. sheila says

    Hi..I was in Hoylake last week for a day and had a look round the Holy Trinity church grave yard..well was actually trying to locate my Mother’s grave and as my friends and I were searching, we found two gravestones for two soldies who had been awarded VCs It was really interesting. We came on them purely by chance.

    We were rather hoping to find a B&B to stay in somewhere on the sea front, but didn’t see anywhere so we stayed in Caldy.

    Aso went into the Golden Orchid on Market Street( no.46 )to see if they would let me look upstairs as that is the place where I was born but the gentleman seemed a little bemused so as it wasn’t a meal time..I just left with a thank you feeling a bit daft !!

    What I was wondereing was, does anyone know whether it is still a flat above the Thai Restaurant or is it part of it..if it is..next time I would try to get in at meal times and have a look at the upstairs..it was a funny feeling going into the place

    thanks Sheila

  41. diane hind says

    Hi Sheila

    Not sure about the Thai restaurant but i think the first floor is part of it as thats where the loo’s are, but not sure about the very top , next time your in Hoylake check out Firkin House Marine Road for bed and breakfast, or Wynngate B & B Dovepoint Road both are excellent have had friends stay there. so can recomend them

    Cheers Diane

    • sheila says

      Hi Diane many thanks for the information both on the restaurant as well as the two B&Bs will certainly give them a whirl next time I am in Hoylake which I hope won’t be too far away .

      We lived on the floor above the then Billy’s Shop and cafe , the very top was used by the shop for storage so we never went up there…well only when I was being a nosy little girl..but I wasn’t supposed to !!!

      I am really dying to have a look upstairs and try to see how it is and how we lived. The living room overlooked the main road as did my bedroom and the kitchen was at the back overlooking the yard..bathroom and other bedroom between these two…so I should be able to see it…hopefully!!!

      once again, many thanks Sheila

  42. peter robinson says

    Hello all

    A little off topic I know but I worked at Jesse Birds in the early 60′s. The owners then where 2 brothers. I cannot remember their names. My sister June and her husband Ron owned the sweet shop named Absolems in West Kirby opposite the station.

    • Julie S says

      Hi
      Realy interesting to read about Hoylake – My mum used to work for Ron and June in Absolems in West Kirby for a few years. How are they? Has anyone any information about Jack Waring Jones or Jody Sherlock from Hoylake thanks

  43. Jane says

    Hi,
    This thread is really interesting to read. I don’t have a connection to Hoylake just yet but me and my boyfriend are in the process of buying no.42 Trinity Road. It sounds like its got a wonderful history around there! Does anyone know roughly when the houses were built at all? At first I was worried about living opposite a grave yard but we went for a walk around it and now I feel quite happy and as though we’re moving to part of a little village and love the historical aspects of it!

    • Ricky Cooper says

      Hi Jane, and Welcome to Hoylake,
      Last week I came looking for some information from you regarding a drawing of Holy Trinity Church.
      I deduced that the drawing was produced from the front of your house in Trinity Road,
      Unfortunately you were out. But, I could see that the Artist’s position was more likely to be Number 38.
      Before I could knock at ’38′ – the front door opened and I was confronted with two Ryding Ladies ready to do battle with the Stranger – Me! I rushed forward waving my Drawing of the Church…like a flag of truce.
      One of the “Ryding Ladies” retreated back into the House.- only to reappear at the door with her own “Flag”.
      Her “Flag” took the form of a round dinner plate upon which was painted a coloured picture of Holy Trinity Church ! After that introduction we got on very well.
      Oh! …and Jane, I also had words with the Griffiths girls – G’Mother, Mother and Daughter buried in the right hand corner of the Graveyard. [related through Richard Bird]
      As for the Drawing of the Church, I would like to see it at the head of this “thread” [OK Syd ? ]
      Ricky Cooper.

  44. Diane Hind says

    Hi Jane

    I think the houses are 112 years old, don’t worry living opposite the graveyard its peaceful I lived at No 40 for a few years Mary and John where my neighbours then, he was ex army she was from Lancashire i think. they had lived in that house for a long time and where very happy there am sure you will be too they are nice houses roomy and nice gardens.

    Cheers Diane

  45. dcumpsty says

    The Bell Hoylake Parish Church

    Let us get started with John’s idea “Bring Back the Bell” committee.

    Yes the Old Parish Church. Holy Trinity Church.
    Where did the bell go?

    The Bell may not have been donated but purchased.
    The Bell could have been Cast in The Brown Foundry in Liverpool. The Foundry was owned by a Robert and Andrew Brown. Andrew Brown Senior between 1861 and 1871 moved to Great Meols from Birkenhead. Andrew only had one child Andrew Matthew Brown being my Great Grandfather. And he carried on the Foundry after his father’s death 1884. The Foundry employed over 100 men.
    A. & R. Brown Ltd. of 18-22 Porter Street, Liverpool, specialized in carrying out copper smiting and brass founding for a wide range of industrial plant including sugar refining and industrial equipment, as well as marine work.

    What Needs to done?
    Document The History of the Church 1833 to 1976.
    My first suggestion is to form a local History Group or find a person willing to search Microfilms at your Local Library Hoylake and Birkenhead. Search Newspapers for articles on the Parish Church or Brown Foundry. This way one can document the history of the Church with printed copies from Microfilms. The Records of this church should be at Cheshire Archives in Chester.

    My Interest:
    My roots go back to Hoylake. My Relatives being Vicars in The Anglican Church. Rev. William John Cumpsty the son of Isaac Cumpsty of Hoylake. Rev Stanley Cumpsty born in Hoylake the son of Rev William John Cumpsty. Rev John S Cumpsty South Africa Anglican Church.
    Let us work through this problem with the Bell.
    We should all discover something.

    D Cumpsty

    • Bernie W says

      “Bring Back The Bell”

      OK, we have a start. I suggest that initially a few more volunteers step up and offer D Cumpsty help. I would propose D Cumpsty as Chair of the committee and I would suggest in addtion to the recommendation of an historian that the following skills should be sought for that committee- these are all community volunteer positions. A Marketer (to develop a comprehensive marketing plan to be executed by PR and Fund Raising) A PR personto create ongoing excitement and provide regular updates into the community in accordance with the marketing plan), A Fund Raiser (To raise the cash necessary to fund all aspects of returning the bell home), A Financial person (To keep good books and to provide sound financal advice) and a Construction person to assess and plan for the recasting of a new bell to be given in exchange for the “Hoylake” bell, the construction of a new bell tower, and the installation of both bells.

      Again I would offer myself in any one of those categories but I live three thousand miles away so it’s a bit far to commute, but I will continue to shout encouragment from the sidelines.

  46. dcumpsty says

    Betty Swainson gave land for this Church. Reference Liverpool Courier 11 Apr 1832 thanks to Ricky’s comment January, 2011. Need a copy of this Liverpool Courier 11 Apr 1832. Go to Microfilms Newspapers.

    Holy Trinity was consecrated 1 November 1833.

    Rev. J. H. Swainson, was the first Parson who was the son of a Timothy Swainson and Betty Swainson. Source Elaine comment September 2010. Would someone like to do some research on this family?

    1860 became the Parish Church of the Hoose

    Registers of Baptisms, Marriages and Burials have been deposited at the Cheshire Record Office.
    Parish record may be called Hoylake;the Bishop’s Transcripts may be Hoose.

    The church of Hoylake is Holy Trinity. Cheshire Record Office no.: P80/1/1-5, P80/2/1-6, P80/3/1-4, P80/4/1-2.

    D Cumpsty

  47. dcumpsty says

    Time Frame 1840 to 1851 Holy Trinity Church

    1840 Reverend John Longueville living at The Valve House owned by Betty Swainson Plot 4. The Church is Plot 35.

    1851 Hoose Census John G Longueville is living at the Dale Cottage. Profession is Perpetual Curator of the Hoose Church.

    D Cumpsty

  48. dcumpsty says

    Time Frame 6th September 1974 Holy Trinity Church

    Pastoral Measure 1968 Scheme made by the Church Commissioners and confirmed by her Majesty.

    1. Substituting the Church of St Hildeburg as Church of the Parish.

    2. Declare Holy Trinity redundant.

    3. Alternate Name: Holy Trinity-in-Hoose to Holy Trinity Hoylake.

    D Cumpsty

  49. dcumpsty says

    SWAINSON family early days:

    John Timothy1st 1732-1780 and Elizabeth Waldby of Beverly, Yorkshire,England. Parents of John Timothy Swainson 11.
    John Timothy1st HM Customs & Excise.

    John Timothy Swainson 11 (1756 – 1824): 1788 a Plantations Clerk London,England.
    Merchant Dealer in Liverpool. Firm being Willis and Swainson.
    Owners John Willis and John Timothy Swainson.

    John Timothy Swainson 11:
    Born in Beverly, Yorkshire 15 September 1756
    Christening of John Timothy Swainson 12 October 1757 St Michael,Cornhill,London,England.
    Parents John Timothy Swainson and Betty Swainson
    Marriage Frances Stanaway 2 May 1789. Not proven.
    Son William John Swainson born 8 October 1789.
    Go to wikepedia.org/wiki/William John Swainson
    Death of Frances 1792 Essex.
    Marriage John Swanison 1793 to Betty Hammerton. Not proven.
    Death John Timothy Swainson 1824.
    Burial Date 28 September 1824 at St Mary, Edge Hill. Abode Elm Grove West Derby age 68. Rev C. L. Swainson Part of the Clergy here at St. Mary. This Parish had a connection to the beginning of Holy Trinity Church Hoose.
    Death of Betty Swainson wife of John Timothy Swainson 11 1854 Rugby Crick. Age 82.

    Charles Litchfield Swainson:
    Christening of 27 Jun 1799 Saint John Hackney,London,England. C042152
    Marriage 23 May 1838 Milverton,Warwick,England. Spouse Harriett Littledale. MO43732
    1851 Rector of the Parish of Crick Northampton. Mother Betty Swainson living here age 79.
    1861 Rector of the Parish of Crick Northamptonshire.
    1871 Rector of the Parish of Crick Northamptonshire.
    Death Charles Litchfield 4 Aug 1871.Northamptonshire,England

    John Timothy Swainson111:
    Christening of John Timothy Swainson 27 Jun 1799 St John Hackney, London,England. Father John Timothy Swainson. C04215
    Marriage 1840 to Emily Margaretta Williams a widow of Rev Thomas Williams Place Hereford, Herefordshire. Civil registration.
    Residence 1841 Islington West Middlesex, England.
    Residence 1851 Stokefleming Devon England. Gentlemen Landholder.
    Residence 1860 Bond Illinois USA.

    Betty Swainson:
    Christening of Betty Swainson 9 April 1802 Saint John,Hackney,London, England. Father John Timothy Swainson. C042152
    Marriage 21 April 1829 Saint Mary,Edge,Hill, Lancashire,England. Not Proven. Spouse John Willis. Is this John Willis a relation to the owner of a firm of Willis and Swainson Merchant Dealer Liverpool.

    James Hopkins Swainson:
    Christening of James Hopkins: Swainson 14 Jul 1808 Childwall,Lancashire,England. Father John Timothy Swainson and Mother Betty. P020811
    Marriage 1840 Hackney.
    1861 Rector Alresford Parish Essex wife Elizabeth.
    1871 Rector Alresford Parish Essex wife Elizabeth.
    Death of 4 Aug 1880 Switzerland.
    Rev James Hopkins Swainson 6 Books @ Google Books on the internet.

    Agnes French Swainson:
    Christening of Agnes French Swainson: 27 February 1810 Childwall,Lancashire,England. Fathers name John Timothy and Mother Betty. P20811
    Marriage to Rev John Longueville. Not found.
    Residence 1841 Hoose Clergyman.
    Residence 1851 Hoose Perpetual Curator of Hoose Church. Living at Dale Cottage
    Residence 1861 Eccleston. Rev John is Rector of Eccleston..
    Residence 1871 Eccleston. Rev John is Rector of Eccleston.
    Death of Rev John Longueville 14 July 1882 Cheshire England.
    Death of Agnes Longueville 11 January 1904 Cheshire England. Age 94
    Wills at Cheshire Archives Chester,Cheshire.England.

    This is the Family of Betty Swainson who donated the land for Holy Trinity Church Hoose Consecrated 1833.

    After 179 years time changes many things. The Bell for this Church was moved after the building was demolished in 1976. The Bell at the moment is a mystery.

    Elaine or others interested in the SWAINSON Family please check my information for your own family research.

    D Cumpsty

  50. Ricky Cooper says

    Hi Lyn,
    Ref. :–
    “””LynJohnston says:
    April 7, 2012 at 8:04 am
    I am also researching the Holmes/ Hughes/Jones/Eccles/Bird family and have the above mentioned family members in my tree..

    I am coming over to Uk from Australia in june /july and Im visiting the hoylake area. I would like to meet up with any family members still in the area . “””

    I look forward to seeing you….. Ricky Cooper.#

    PS Did you know that one of my “Families” (through the RUTTERS) went to the Antipodies in the 1800s ?
    They sailed on the “Infamous TICONDEROGA a.k.a. “the Fever Ship”. They lost one of their children during the voyage. My name appears against those who sailed on this ship, as a point of contact for any researchers of this “Rutter” Family. Not many people know this – perhaps because they came from Heswall ?
    If you are interested, I can provide details, maybe the “Hoylake Rutters” would also like to know.

    Ricky Cooper.

  51. catherine says

    Hello people of Hoylake:)

    Visited Hoylake today for the first time despite only living down the road really in Chester, what a nice place. My mum passed away in late 2011 and I am now trying to trace a little bit of my family history. I believe there maybe a family grave in Holy Trinity belonging to my late grandmother’s side of the family who lived inHoylake. My late grandmother was called Bessie Smathers, she died around 1952. I think my grandmothe’rs brother Thomas William Smathers is buried there as records show he was killed in the second world war. I had a little look around today but there were a lot of graves! I would really appreciate it if anyone who knows the area and graveyard better could help,

    many thanks,
    Catherine

    • Eve Roberts says

      Hi

      The headstone you are seeking is there, and the inscription reads as follows:

      Ornate White Marble Gothic Headstone on Plinth Lead Lettering
      SMATHERS In loving memory of/Eleanor WILLIAMS/who died 15th february 1920 aged 82 years/also of Robert WILLIAMS/her husband/who died 22nd January 1917 aged 73 years/and was interred at Shotwick Churchyard/”At rest”/also Henry Charles SMATHERS/beloved husband of Ellen SMATHERS of Hoylake/and son of above Eleanor Williams/died 24th Oct 1928 aged 61 years/”Gone before”/also the above
      Ellen/who died 15th sept 1937 aged 69 years/”Followed on”/also their son/Frederick Stanley SMATHERS/
      drowned at sea 5th March 1938 aged 38/also Thomas William SMATHERS/died 4th March 1942 aged 45/

      The headstone is in the part of the graveyard which backs onto School Lane and Ferndale Road – good luck with your search. Eve

      • Ricky Cooper says

        Hi Eve,
        Reference your Email of “Two Years Ago” to Catherine. [April 2012]
        Her Family seems to have moved up to Hoylake from Shotwick.
        By coincidence – my Family also took this path.
        I have found several of their graves in Shotwick Graveyard.–
        and also several more in Holy Trinity Graveyard, Hoylake.
        A small branch of the Family were wiped out at Heswall by the Plague.
        I wonder why they decided to migrate up the Wirral coast ?
        Best
        Ricky.

  52. catherine says

    Eve,

    Thank you so much! I will visit again now that I know what and where I am looking for!

    Catherine x

  53. Ricky Cooper says

    Hi All,
    Just found this on the Web :

    Remembering John Richards

    John Richards died on the evening of Sunday 24th May, a few weeks short
    of the sixty-fifth anniversary of his ordination to the priesthood. He had been
    ill for just over a year, an illness born with fortitude and faith.

    When I went to visit John shortly after his diagnosis, he said to me,
    “You know, I feel I have been prepared for this all my life”
    He meant that he had been prepared for that moment by his life and ministry,
    by his faithful celebration of the Eucharist and his saying of the Daily Office.
    He sensed that he had been shaped and formed by his Lord, and was able
    in His strength to face what lay ahead. In just a few words it was a
    remarkable testimony to a faithful priest and to a faithful God.

    John began his ordained ministry after training at Westcott House, Cambridge.
    He served as Curate in the border parish of Chirk (His predecessor was
    the poet R.S.Thomas), but shortly after priesting in 1944 he went to France as
    Chaplain to the Forces. It was a privilege to hear him preach on
    Remembrance Sunday. He knew for himself the experience of many in the
    pews and could apply to it the medicine of the Gospel.

    After the war he served as Curate of Bollington in east Cheshire, and then as
    the Vicar of St Peter’s, Macclesfield, before coming to All Saints,
    New Brighton and then to Hoylake. In many ways his ministry at
    Hoylake epitomised classical Anglicanism – externally no “extremes”, but a
    deep devotion, formed by the Eucharist, the Offices, and pastoral care
    not just for the gathered congregation but the whole parish. His years in
    Hoylake were not always easy, for it was in John’s time that the decision
    had to be made to close the structurally unsafe Holy Trinity Church,
    but it was the place where John and Rachel felt they were much blessed
    and where they made many friends. On retiring to Meols John became
    something of an “elder statesman”, and it is the measure of his
    professionalism that his successors did not feel threatened by the
    presence nearby of one who had made the parish so much what it was.

    He ministered and assisted in many west Wirral parishes, but especially at
    St Bridget’s and Caldy, where he won a place in our hearts. On a one-to-one
    basis he was an attentive and discerning listener and wise counsellor.
    His preaching, always in that rich distinctive voice, was illustrated by
    references to poetry, drama and novels (and not always referenced
    either, so that one could get distracted for a few minutes wondering what the
    source of the quotation was !), always relevant and illuminating.
    When celebrating the Eucharist, especially the Prayer Book Liturgy, one had
    the sense that John was not simply reading the texts (as if he could ever have
    done just that) but praying them – there was nothing showy or self-promoting,
    just a priest doing the very things that gave his ministry meaning and direction.

    John’s ministry was never formally recognised by an honorary
    Cathedral Canonry or other acknowledgement (which some of us found strange)
    but John was content to be a parish priest, army chaplain, husband, father
    and friend. We have been privileged to have him in our midst. The Jesuit
    theologian Karl Rahner writes that a new priest’s first celebration of the
    Eucharist is the beginning of an action that day by day and week by week
    will become part of his very being, until finally he is caught up in Christ
    forever. I think of that when I remember our dear friend and Christian
    brother John. May he rest in peace and rise in glory.

    Roger Clarke
    July 2009

    Ricky Cooper

    • sheila devlin nee Wray says

      what a super tribute to an obviously well loved and respected priest.

      I attended Holy Trinity church as a little girl sometime between 1950 and 1956 (ish) and my memories are of a huge jug thing into which we dropped our pennies with a satisfying clang !

      Does anyone remember a Canon Deveraux not sure of the spelling..he took us for RE lessons I think and certainly for the start of confirmation classes. I remember him particularly as when he spoke, he was apt to spray the front row as he spoke certain words..children remember those details rather than the important don’t they. The Barnardos children used to sit in the front pews and I always sneaked in to sit with them with my friends…I have a feeling there were two homes..EllenGonner and Brynmoor, but it is a long time ago and memory plays tricks doesn’t it..anyone else have a memory of this ? Sheila

      • Gina Kirkham says

        Hi Sheila,

        Brynmore was on the front in Hoylake…….go down Trinity Road and turn right, the large set of buildings between Trinity Road and Clydesdale Road….I think it was either the second or third house in from Clydesdale.

        I went to school with a couple of girls from there in the late 60′s, early 70′s…….

        Gina

        • sheila devlin nee Wray says

          Hi Gina, thanks for that..after so many years the memories get sort of muddled especially as I didn’t take much notice then. It is only now that I am trying to piece things together and get my memory jogged by this super site. I left Hoylake in about 1957 ish so it is all a bit hazy.

          I have been lucky in that some people who have remembered me and my family have been in contact..always on the hope of more info.

          If I remember, the homes were really big houses but then they would be wouldn’t they? Like I say..thank you for replying..another little piece to fit into my jigsaw.

          • Gina Kirkham says

            My pleasure Sheila, I’m Hoylake born and bred and still living here, its such a lovely place.

            I’ve found I’ve started reminiscing more since my Mum and Dad passed away…somehow we seem to look back on the early years, believing they were so much better……I still think that the sun seemed to shine EVERY day on our summer holidays, the water in Hoylake Baths was never cold and the only down side was it seemed to take 10 years to get from one christmas to another!

            I think the Ellen Gonner home was actually on the same site as Brynmore, only earlier….taking up more most of that block, but I’m not 100% sure. There was another “home” in West Kirby, which was a Convalescence Home/Residential School, that was just at the end of Meols Drive. I vaguely remember children in metal framed beds on a verandah if the weather was good.

          • sheila devlin nee Wray says

            Once again Gina, thanks for your response and yes, the water was never cold and the sun always shone and we used to play in the rough grass on the municipal golf course by the railway station safely !!!

            Thanks also for info re the homes..the names are always there in my mind but I never went in them, was just friends with some of the girls.

            Interesting you say about the convalescent home in West Kirby..after my mother died in February about 1956 I was 11..my Dad couldn’t cope with me he was poorly and obviously not able to get sorted out..anyway I was put in an Open Air School called Torpenhow until I started at West Kirby High School in the Sept so I had a very different experience..there weren’t metal beds though ..it was different to say the least…has anyone else reading this heard of this place ?

            I expect you will have seen millions of changes in Hoylake but I bet it is still a great place to live.. We used to live in the flat above Billies on Market Street well Charles Road was our entrance..I think it is now a Thai Restaurant.

            all the best Sheila

  54. Meridel Nelson says

    In the 20s the Edwardian houses along between the bottom of Trinity Road and the baths used to be let out in the summer. My late father, Norman Thompson, told me that they used to rent one in the summer. His family moved from Bishop Wearmouth in 1916 when his father was transferred from the Wear to the Mersey with his work as a foreman boilermaker in the shipyards.

  55. Diane Hind says

    Hiya Gina

    The Ellen Gonner home was at the bottom of Trinity Road opposite fellowship house, its now flats.

    Brynmor i think was the second house from the corner of Clydesdale Road, I used to go to Tea there as i was friendly with a few girls from there. The house mother was very strict with them.

    I also remember the metal framed beds on the verandah at the convelescence home. I had forgotten about that

    Cheers Diane

    • Ricky Cooper says

      Hi Diane,
      Can you tell me anything about Eddie Pearce ?
      Did he once live in Trinity Road – even “Church View” ? If so – what number ? …and when ?
      I believe that he was a Verger at Holy Trinity Church and subsequently transferred to St Hildeburgh.
      Did he also live in Grosvenor Road ?
      Daughter Brenda Pearce.

      Fingers crossed,

      Ricky Cooper

      • Diane Hind says

        Hi Ricky

        Mr Pierce was the verger my children thought he was god cutting the grass when they say him in the church yard, we lived opposite ( No 40) at the time, he was tickled pink to think my kids called him god.

        I don’t remember him living in Trinity Road but he could of before my time there i remember him living in Grosvenor Road, Th person you would need to ask is Jeff Kernighan he would know far better than i would,
        If i see Jeff i will ask him

        Cheers Diane

      • Mandy Cook says

        Hi Ricky,

        My name is Mandy Cook, formerly Mandy Piercy. I hope I can be of help to you by telling you that Eddie Piercy was my Dad. He did pass away unforunately in 1996 from cancer and although it is nice to hear that someone saw him in Hoylake 3 years ago, it really is impossible. I am one of the lucky ones along with my Sister Carol and Brother Eddie who have many many memories of him and Mum Lilian ( Lily ) . I am proud to hear how well he was thought of and if I can be of help to you I would be more than willing. Being the youngest, if I cannot remember, I am sure my family can help too.
        Regards

        Mandy.

        • Ricky Cooper says

          Hi Mandy,
          Reference your Email to me 25/May
          I have just found this :-
          Maggie Cooper born to James Cooper in 1870
          Maggie Cooper married William Henry Piercy in 1893.
          Looks like we are distantly related ?
          Ricky Cooper

          • Ricky Cooper says

            Hi again Mandy Cook,

            When I spoke to your Dad, Eddie Piercy, and he said that he used to live next door to my G’G’Grandad William Trueman – I assumed he meant Church Road [Trinity Road]

            This week I discovered a list of Hoylake marriages for 1914.
            A Mr James William Piercy lived at 39 Groveland Avenue, my G’G’Grandad lived at 41 Groveland Avenue.
            — and Mr Piercy’s blushing bride Ellen Woods lived at 38 Groveland Avenue.

            Ricky Cooper.

        • Julie S says

          Hi Mandy
          I remember your dad – he was a really good man a true gentleman. I am researching a family tree and am looking for infomation about Jack Waring Jones who married Gladys May Woods also any info on Sydney Jody Sherlock who married Gladys Doreen Waring Jones Any info would be appreciated.
          Many thanks

        • Alison Den Haan nee Cowen says

          Hi Mandy,

          Can you please ask your sister Carol. if she remembers me?
          I lived in Hoylake for a while and went to Market Street
          school. She was a good friend, I lived opposite the baths
          at 57 The Parade. I would really like to say hi and know
          how she is doing.

          Kind regards;

          Alison

  56. Ruth Treece (Rowlands) says

    I lived in Hoylake until I married 54 years ago. I played with children from the Ellen Gonner home which was on the promenade on the corner of Trinity Road. Bryn Mor was a home for the blind in those days. The convalescent home at the West Kirby end of Meols Drive was for patients with consumption, what we would call tuberculosis now, and they did put the beds out on the verandah in all weathers because they believed that cold air could help the condition, especially when mingled with the scent of pine trees. Those that could afford it used to ship their loved ones off to Switzerland for that reason. The building was used later (in the 50′s) as a convalescent home for children suffering with chronic asthma. We used to think nothing ever happened in Hoylake and yet all this was going on. I had a very happy childhood there and the sun did shine all the summer holidays. Ruth

    • Ian Barrowman says

      Hi Ruth, my dad was an ambulance man and was involved in forming a football team for myself and friends, he also worked in a volunteer capacity at the convalescent home in the late sixties early/seventies the kids at that time as i remember suffered physical disabilities, we played football against them on a few occasions, very humbling and it was great to see the love they had for my dad.

  57. John says

    Meridel comments:

    Eddie and Jeff are the same. I have fond memories of Eddie at church,
    before he was verger, no-one seemed to stay for very long. It was very sad
    that he felt Mr Hale and I were the only people who spoke to him – at least
    when he first went there from Holy Trinity in ’73 or thereabouts. He was a
    lovely man – always very kind and helpful. Jeff is someone that I just seem
    to have known all my life – or at least since I was dragged to Matins at
    the age of 3 in 1959. I would think that if Jeff weren’t able to help, he
    might know someone who could. I last saw him 3 years ago – I sneaked into
    Evensong hoping to stay anonymous. Unfortuntaly, once a head chorister, you
    can’t not sing, and he recognised my voice. That was the last time I was in
    Hoylake. Many people haven’t gone very far. Not like me – I’m now on the
    edge of the Diocese of Aquitaine.

    Hope that helps

    Regards

    Meridel

    • Ricky Cooper says

      Hi Meridel and thanks for your prompt reply. (Subject: Eddie Jeff Pierce, Verger, Hoylake.)

      Unfortunately I am now in dispute with :–
      Peter Surridge, Publicity Officer at St. Hildeburgh (Telephone 0151-632-5507).
      He states that Eddie died about 10 years ago – whereas you tell me that you saw Eddie
      3 years ago when you were last in Hoylake – What…

      Was the name “Eddie” just a nickname ? or was it “Jeff” ?

      Anyway – I am on the Isle of Wight next week, You can recognise me by the St Trinian’s straw boater, and I will be talking to the Lady Mayoress……..HONEST. Jolly Hockeysticks.

      Ricky Cooper.

  58. Diane Hind says

    Hi Ricky

    Mr Pierce did die about 10 years ago which i am pretty sure Jeff Kernighan could confirm, am pretty sure he died of Cancer but not 100 percent sure i know he was ill for a long time, If Meridel says she saw Mr Pierce 3 years ago then she was looking at his ghost, sorry Meridel it couldn’t of been Mr Pierce.

    C heers Diane

  59. Jane says

    I’m so enjoying reading about all this history, our house actually fell through at one point but is back in now having paid the deposit and prospectively moving the week after next to no.42. I love reading all the comments and am so excited about creating our own but of history by living there! Everyone seems to know everyone in Hoylake too! Thanks for a fascinating read!

  60. Don Johnson says

    I was put in an Open Air School called Torpenhow until I started at West Kirby High School in the Sept so I had a very different experience..there weren’t metal beds though ..it was different to say the least…has anyone else reading this heard of this place ?

    Sheila.
    I spent about 6 months in Torpenhow in about 1944 when I was about 7 because of chest and breathing problems, for which I can also remember numerous visits to the gas works to breathe in the coal tar vapours. As a result, \i can’t remember very much about it other than we were fed loads of dates and I have never eaten a date since.
    Torpenhow was not far from Frankby and about half way along the road between The Farmers Arms at Frankby and the Caldy Crossroads.
    I am sorry I can’t help any more than this

    • sheila devlin nee Wray says

      Hi Don and thanks for reply.. sort of good to hear that it wasn’t just me at Torpenhow although I wasn’t poorly as you were with your breathing problems.

      It wasn’t the happiest 5 months of my life although the school part was great as we seemed to be graded on reading ability so that siuted me..if it had been maths I would have been in a bit of a pickle maths not being one of my strenghts !!! Did you have to garden a little plot ..we did..don’t remember what we grew . We also had to do loads of housework type stuff and some of the nurses were less than jovial but it can’t have been easy for anyone can it…Didn’t have the dates but Sun afternoons consisted of tinned sardines and tepid milky tea in a green plastic beaker yuk !!! ah well all experience in life

      Like I said..thanks for the info and yes it does help to place another piece in the “jigsaw” hope your breathing problems eased eventually

      Sheila

  61. Gina kirkham says

    Hi Ricky,

    I went to school with Carol and Mandy Piercy, their Father was Eddie Piercy and he was the Verger for The church and was a lovely man. They lived either in Grosvenor Road or very close to there and had a brother also called Eddie. I am still in contact with Mandy and Carol, in fact we all bumped into each other in Trinity Road Churchyard on Mothers Day!

    My Nan and Grandad Dawson who had the old Maypole on Market Street lived in Elm Terrace and there was a Jeff (Geoff) Kernighan living in the same road, in the far corner. he had a daughter called Julie, but I don’t know if this is the same one you are talking about.

    I will let Mandy Piercy know that you need some information and she may be able to help.
    Kind regards
    Gina

    • Ricky Cooper says

      Hi Gina,
      Surprise, Surprise…..
      Reference your Email of 25/May.regarding the Piercy Family.

      1870 Maggie COOPER born to James COOPER
      1893 Maggie COOPER became Maggie PIERCY when she married
      William Henry PIERCY.

      A pity that I didn’t know this when I met Eddie. Anyway Eddie figures on my second Email of todays’ date -
      he gave me a postcard drawing of Holy Trinity, which I will copy to “Church View”

      Ricky Cooper

      • Louise Middleton (nee woods) says

        Hi Ricky and Mandy , my grandad was James William Woods and was the son of Ellen woods who married James Piercey in 1914. My dad is Colin woods. I think we are related in some way?
        We know little about the family -could you tell us any more about it as we are very interested to learn more.

        Regards

        Louise Middleton

  62. Gina kirkham says

    Oh my goodness Billies……..I had a Saturday job as a waitress there in the early 70′s whilst I was at school………can’t believe I’d forgotten that!

    My Nan and Grandad Dawson had the MAYPOLE which was very close to Billies, I think it was the 2nd shop in from Alderley Road, which is now called The Way We Wear, which would make it either next door or next door but one to Billies. My mum Sheila and her sister Josie (Marriotts from Newton Road) worked there too and I remember being allowed to watch my Granddad operate the bacon slicer…..exciting stuff!

    Thank you for reminding me…
    Gina

    • sheila devlin nee Wray says

      Hi Gina..my Mother worked behind the counter in the shop on the ciggies side I think but she also washed up etc ..I always had to be very quiet in the flat when the shop was open !!!! There was an outside loo that the customers used in the back yard were I played ball when I wasn’t playing in the street

      The Maypole didn’t it have one of those wire thingies that one put the money in and the change came zooming back ??

      On our corner of Charles Road there was a garage that had “charas” in I think..the people there used to let me watch them working at times these days health and safety would have a dickie fit wouldn’t they.

      Did you go to Holy Trinity Primary like me or had it changed by the time you were at school ? good to keep getting snippits of info thanks Sheila

      • Gina kirkham says

        Hi Sheila,
        I’m racking my brains over the money thing at my Grandads…..I do remember a store in Hoylake that had one of those chutes where the money was put into a cannister and then “shot” up to the office in the tubing of the chute…I think it might have been the old CO-OP, but I’m not sure.

        I went to School Lane Infants and then the Market Street School…Mr Harrison was the Headmaster when I was there. My endearing memory was of Miss Hughes slapping the back if my hand with a ruler because I didn’t know my 9 times table……..funnily enough over 45 years later it’s one of the ones I can still recite backwards as well as forwards! It was a sad day when both schools were sold to becomes homes……I loved the “secret gate” at school lane school which was only ever used when we had to go to special church services at the Trinity Road church, as it was a short cut through the graveyard, which is also demolished.
        Gina x

        • sheila devlin nee Wray says

          Hi Gina..it probably was the Co-op now you mention it but there was the chute thing somewhere.
          Mr Harrison was the Head when I was there and the famous Mrs Hughes who was kind most of the time. I too learned my tables by rote and still know them !!!.. I do remember struggling to tell the time and being given the ultimatum that if I couldn’t do it by the Monday morning I was to get a smack..needless to say I could just about do it by the Monday.

          Do you remember Mr Powell and Miss Rowlands as well. I wasn’t in “Pop Powellys” class but remember him as he had comics for wet play times bliss. I went into Mrs Hughes’ class ..we did loads of work from a book called “First Aid in English” ready for the 11+ exam..I used an updated version when I was teaching for my own reference,,excellent ideas etc
          Yes we used to sneak across the churcha yard to the wall and get into the Infants yard that way sometimes heady days and the sweetie shop up School Lane

          I loved the original library at the Meols Drive ? end of Market Street and was surprised to find it near what had been our school when I visited Hoylake some time ago I bet the house (s) are fascinating and certainly would have some tales to tell

          Ah well everything changes except thse lovely reminders of my early days so many thanks for keeping on replying Sheila

  63. says

    Meridel replies:

    By saying the same, I meant that they were the people concerned. Jeff was
    at one time crucifer at St Hildeburgh’s, but I’m not sure if it was before
    David Pearce, or after.

    Eddie used to live in a terribly dilapidated house – think it had been the
    school house lived in by Miss Bentley. When the last curate left, it would
    have been Gerald Smith, Eddie moved into what had been the curate’s house
    in Grosvenor Road. I can remember my mother commenting that the house he’d
    been in wasn’t really fit for habitation.

    No, I haven’t seen any ghosts at St Hildeburgh’s, although going back 3
    years ago was quite painful.

    • Gina kirkham says

      I remember Miss Bentley….she was the headmistress at School Lane Infants. Her brother John and their elderly Mum had the sweet/newsagents/post office shop at the top of Waverley Road.

      I lived at 4 Waverley and the Bentley’s lived at 1 Waverley (first house left hand side). Although the shop was called Bentley’s…..as children it was affectionately known as “Gently Bentley’s” by us…..The elderly Mrs Bentley always wore either plain black dresses with White collars or grey Paisley ones with a black cardigan and t-bar shoes…funny the things you remember!

      Oh and 4 blackjacks or fruit salads for a ha’penny!
      Gina

      • Ricky Cooper says

        Hi Gina,

        “Gently Bentley” of course was a catch phrase used in the Dick Bentley Radio series many years ago.
        I still use it now and again instead of “Careful!”.
        Funny how your memory sometimes remembers the “obscure.”

        Ricky Cooper.

  64. Richard McIntyre says

    Gina,from what my wife told me her father (Normam Barrett) worked at the Maypole after WW2 until they moved to Canada in 1952. She said she watched him form the butter into blocks.

    • Gina kirkham says

      Hi Richard

      I was born in 1958 and I think grandad had the Maypole then. I can only remember grandad and nanny Dawson, my mum and her sister being there, but your father in law would have been gone a while by the time I was old enough to remember being there.

      There were wooden blocks that were butter pat shaped and wrapped in butter paper for the window displays, they looked like the real thing….until you dropped one on your toes. Grandad used to let me sit on the counter and “smack” the butter with the paddles….gosh with that and the bacon slicer..Health & Safety would have a field day!

      Gina

  65. says

    Ricky Cooper comments:

    Hello Mandy Cook,
    Thanks for your reply.
    I assume that your Father Eddie Piercy was the Verger who transferred from Holy Trinity Church to St Hildeburgh.
    I met your Father many years ago when I came over from Ormskirk in Lancashire, in search of my Family Tree. Eddie had a grave plan of the Holy Trinity graveyard, and showed me where William Trueman was buried
    (however marked as “Freeman” !)
    I wrote a story of this encounter which was subsequently published on “ROOTSWEB” see extract……….
    < << Bill Trueman was my Great Grandfather, and I used to visit him at Hoylake when I was a boy many years ago. He used to grow Sun flowers for their seeds which he then fed to his Parrot.
    Entering his house was achieved by opening a door in the street and walking up the garden to the Back Door of his house. I never used the front entrance - so would never recognise the house from this point.>>>
    The Verger also offered two further bits of information which astounded me :–
    1. He had once lived next door to my Great Grandfather.
    2. He had attended his Funeral, hence his familiarity with the grave site.
    The only address that I can remember was Groveland Avenue – so did Eddie Piercy ever live in Groveland Avenue ? OR could there be a second address in Church View which matches my memory ?
    By ” my memory” – I mean over 70 years ago.
    That is my enigma,
    Ricky Cooper.

  66. Geraldine says

    Hello Judith,I must have been married when you lived next door to my mum and dad.They did have a dog at about that time called Sally.I only remember a Mr & Mrs Stanley living at no 21.I do remember a Mr & Mrs Shakeshaft living across the road at about no 14 or 12. I got married in 1964 and went to live near Wigan where my mum and dad came to live ten years later.No.19 was up for sale not long ago.I had a look at the photos of the inside of the house and it looked stunning.My mum and dad would have been so pleased to see what a good job had been done to it… I used to buy a contract for the baths but it was only 7/6p then.We had great times in the baths too.My dad rented out the deckchairs near the boating pool and sometimes up by the toilets at the bottom of Trinity Road, in the summer.What a shame to see them so neglected.I have since moved back to Wirral and often go along Hoylake promenade to renew the happy memories of my fabulous childhood.

  67. Don Johnson says

    There have been a couple of queries recently referring to the ‘zip’ wire for payments.
    This was in the Co-op on the corner of Market Street and Wood Street. My mother would go there, during the time of rationing you could only go to one grocer, buy what she wanted then the assistant would total the cost and write it into a book that made three copies, she would then give her number – I can still remember it 66876- and give the money, this and two copies of the receipt slip would be put into a little metal cup which was secured to the carrier and the assistant would pull a handle and off the cup went. A couple of minutes later the cashier would put the cup back into the holder, pull a handle and away it came to us where the assistant would collect the cup and give my mother here change and one copy of the receipt ticket then every six months my mother would go to the Co-op offices in Birkenhead to collect her Divi.
    During the time of rationing, which ended in about 1952, you had to be registered with a particular grocer and butcher and the Co-op and Ingrams provided both of these in one shop. I am not certain but I think Ingrams was a bit further up Market street on the same side just before Shaw Street.

    • Geraldine says

      Thank you Don for putting my memories right.The shop I went in was the one on the corner of Market Street and Wood Street.(Now-The Jade Garden I think)I’ve forgotten our divi number now but remember when my mum had her bread delivered, the bread man would ask me what the divi number was and I couldn’t remember then, so he wrote it on the inside wall of our porch.After a few deliveries of me reading this number out I finally knew it off by heart.

      • charles morris says

        Does anyone remember the system that Jones’s in West Kirby used to have ? A vacuum-operated pipe system where the money was put in a capsule that was then sucked away to a central point somewhere, then after a lot of puffing and blowing it came hurtling back into a wire basket.

  68. Gill Cottriall says

    Hi to all on this site

    I found this thread accidently when googling my family name and found it facinating being reminded of so many “old hoylake” memories. I am still local….in West-Kirby, as are my brothers and sisters and my mum.
    Unfortunately I cant throw any light onto where the bell from the Church went. My dads ashes are now in the church yard but I was not aware that he had any connection with the bell…..I will ask around the family and see what they can remember!
    I do know that he had the bell from Heswall Childrens Hospital removed before demolition and it is now in the tower at the Tesco store which is on the site of the old hospital.

    Of course my greatest memories have to be of the Hoylake baths and Uncle Stan on the beach…..fantastic summertime memories….

    • Mike Ryall says

      Gill,

      While reading the posts about the parish church and having so many memories stirred up, I noticed your comment and wondered if you are related to Linda Cottriall. I went to Market Street C of E primary school with Linda and I have to admit that she was the first, “love of my life”! I’m pretty sure the feelings were only one way but if you are related, please pass on my best wishes to her. I also remember her brother, Stephen.

      Happy memories to all.

      Mike Ryall

  69. Cumpsty says

    Gill I sure would like to know where the bell went.
    I checked Bell Foundries in England but no record of where it was made.
    That would be great if you ask your family.
    Keep us Posted.

    Cumpsty with high interest in this Bell.

  70. Jackie says

    The Bell was given by the Vicar Rev John Richards to a Church somewhere in the Bunbury area of Cheshire, as I remember, despite the Residents and the Pool and Community Trust at the time requesting it be put on a plinth of Sandstone from the Church as a Memorial Stone in the Churchyard. The Vicar refused on the grounds it would not be maintained.

  71. Yvonne Smith nee Elliott says

    My sister Jean was married at Holy Trinity church to Brian Nesbitt, I have always wondered why it was pulled down. I too was told about a tunnel by my parents but they were of the opinion it was in St Hilderburghs leading to I know not where. I have some photo,s of my sisters wedding showing the front entrance to the church if anyone is interested it was a double wedding with Brians sister Margaret being married at the same time . The service was conducted by Cannon Deveraux, anyone remember him, He was around a fair bit in those days.
    Gosh what memories the mention of the zip wire in the Co op brings back I remember Mum sitting me on the counter so that I could pull the chain and watching the tube fly up to the cash office. I also remember going to chuch from School Lane infants through the little gate, The only two people I can recall were Derek Reed and Valerie bax can anyone tell me what happened to them.

    • sue nee Calvert says

      Hi Yvonne.
      Are you the same Yvonne Elliott, that travelled with me each day to School in Bebington?
      Regards
      Sue

      • Yvonne Smith nee Elliott says

        Hi Sue
        Indeed I am the same one you used to travel to school with, I don,t think there could be two of me, do you?
        Wow it,s such a long time since I thought of Wirral Grammar. How are you and are you in touch with anyone else. I am still living locally, are you ?, Look foreward to hearing from you.

        regards

        Yvonne

    • Jane says

      I would love to see the photo’s if possible? We’ve just moved to 42 Trinity Road and we’re the house with Church View written above it so to see what it looked like on a photo would be lovely. I have loved reading this thread about the history of the church! Its wonderful to know our house probably holds some amazing memories.

      • Yvonne Smith nee Elliott says

        Hi Jane I would love to show you the photo,s I usually go to the cemetary on saturdays with flowers for my Mum and Dad if you would like I can pop in and show you them. I,m afraid they don,t show much of the church just the front entrance and of course all the wedding party but if you are still interested let me know

      • Ricky Cooper says

        Hi Jane
        I have a Post Card drawing of Holy Trinity Church from the 1930s.
        It looks to me as if the Artist was in your front bedroom when he drew the scene.
        This Drawing was given to me by Eddie PIERCY one-time Verger of the Church.
        I am distantly related to Eddie by the marriage of Maggie Cooper to William Henry PIERCY
        in 1893.
        As Yvonne says “if you are interested let me know”
        Ricky Cooper.

      • Ian Barrowman says

        Hi Jane i also have my mums wedding photo album, mum and dad married at the church, seems ironic now but dads ashes are buried on the plot where he made his vows, a wonderful marriage were they were actually devoted to eachother, let me know if you’d like to see

  72. Meridel says

    Sorry, my fingers slipped – should have read

    “The saint had a cell on Hilbre – hence the St Hildeburgh’s Eye – one of the older names for the island, and the passage to the island was said to come out between the ancient monastery gateposts.

  73. Isobel McKellar says

    Hello

    I found this site by accident when doing a search of info on Herbert Gladstone Eccles who is my grandfather. I’m the daughter of Margaret Isobel Eccles. I saw someone else had said they were a grand daughter of H G Eccles but I can’t find them now. Trying to trace you now please

    • Keith Hatton says

      Hi,
      I am a 2g grandson of Maria Eccles (1837 -1917) and John Hughes (1835 – 1925) and also the 4g grandson of Alice Eccles (b 1774) and Richard Hughes (1774 – 1810). Haven’t got too much information on the Eccles family but they are more than likely related if they are from Hoylake area.
      Incidentally the 4g grandparent Richard Hughes above is one of the men lost in the 1810 lifeboat disaster and is commemorated on the memorial at the new lifeboat station,
      Keith

      • Ricky Cooper says

        Hi Keith & the HUGHES people,
        From the Marriage Certificate :–
        21st. November1892 @ Holy Trinity Church , Hoylake
        Jonathan Cooper (22) , Fisherman. and his Father also Jonathan Cooper . Fisherman.
        Florence Nightingale Hughes (18) , and her Father Richard Hughes , Fisherman.
        Witness Alice Hughes [Wife of Richard?]. and Vicar Francis Sanders.
        HTH
        Ricky Cooper.

  74. Meridel says

    Some people have asked about the age of the houses in the older part of Trinity Road between the church and Market Street.

    I lived in Cable Road, between Valentia and Marine Road. Not quite opposite us, there was an elderly lady in the bottom flat at no 28. Her name was Miss Cox, and she grew up in a house along Stanley Road, I think, before St Hilderburgh’s was built.

    She told me with great enjoyment that, if her governess judged that she had been ‘good’ during the week, she was allowed to walk home for lunch after Matins over the sandhills rather than along Market Street. The sandhills would have been where Groveland Road, Cable Road, Queens Road, Alderley Road and Valentia Road are today I imagine. Unfortunately, I can’t remember when she died, or how old she was, but in the late 60s/early 70s she would have been well into her 80s.

    There were 2 series of Ordnance Survey maps published in the late 19th Century – 1 about 1880 and about 1860 but I can’t remember the exact dates. (I can remember looking at them in the library when I was trying to find out how old our house was at the other end of Cheshire.)

  75. Meridel says

    John Richard, the red cassocks and the choir trip

    Red Cassocks
    When John Richards came to the parish in 1967, many people thought that he had his eye on a canonry at Chester like the Rev John Devereux. He also stated, quite widely, that he only ever stayed in a parish 10 years.

    It was his idea to replace the lovely 1920s russell cord cassocks with red ones. All of us in the choir were dead against it, including Mr Hale, as we knew that is was only Chapel Royal choirs that were allowed to wear them.

    Mr Hale had needed to have his cassock replaced just before this as it fell apart – he’d been wearing it for over 40 years at the time, and his new one was only half the weight of one of the original ones – they were in a sort of dark blue/purple shade of cord. He never wore the new one – his ‘old’ blue one was much more comfortable, and as he spent all his time behind the organ curtain, he continued to do so.

    The hated ‘portia’ hats came from the days when Canon Devereux told Mr Hale to accept girls into the choir, which he did only on the Vicar’s instruction. At the time, all women wore hats to church, and choristers were to be no exception. Thankfully, the arrival of the new cassocks meant we could stop wearing hats.

    Choir trip
    In 1967 when John Richards arrived he stated that he was not prepared to pay for the annual choir trip any longer. Jenny Pearce, among others, was extremely annoyed about this. So, we thought about ways to raise the money. It was decided to hold a jumble sale at the Parish Hall – possibly in the Youth Club part – I can’t remember after nearly 50 years. Anyway, the jumble sale was a fantastic success – thanks in part to the Revd John S Jones, then the curate, resplendent in straw trilby, braces and rolled up sleeves, making good use of his oratory skills. He could have taught the traders on the old Birkenhead Market to shame. I have a vague memory of him shifting a stack of collarless shirts that would have needed starched collars and studs to be worn.

    It was only as a result of this fund raising that we had a choir trip with tea at Salts that year, and I can’t remember if they continued after 1967 – I think not. I can remember being ‘persuaded’ by Joan Pearce to spend 2/6d out of my precious spending money for a ride on the big dipper. She had a second ride for 1/9d, but I couldn’t get off the thing fast enough – I still don’t like them. The rest of the money raised was placed in a bank account in the name of St Hildeburgh’s Choir with Mr Hale and Mr Turnbull being 2 of the signatories. When the Rev J Richards decided it was time for Mr Hale and Mr Turnbull and another choirman to retire from the choir, they were given watches bought from the last of the money in the account and it was closed. Mr Turnbull had become rather hard of hearing, and was heard to remark, apparently “Not much of a present, Jack, after over 60 years in the choir”.

    The journeys home from Southport on one of Lowe’s coaches were always great fun. We filled the extra seats with parishoners such as Miss Thompson from Elm Grove and others. We would do requests for hymns anthems, and generally had enough bass/tenor parts. I’m sure I can remember singing “Eye hath not seen”, “O Saviour of the world” and other items from our standard repertoire. Perhaps Charles Morris or Jeff Kernighan can remember these journeys, too.

    Processional Cross
    I had the misfortune to carry the processional cross once, and it was extremely heavy. Being only 5’5″ tall at the most, it was very difficult.

    I had been chosen to represent the County of Cheshire at the Golden Jubilee of the Guide Movement at the service at Westminster Abbey in London, and to carry the County Standard there. As a result, when there was another service at St Hildeburgh’s, the Rev J Richards decided that along with the choir made up of Sea Rangers, I should carry the processional cross, robed as Head Chorister – standing out like a sore thumb.

    Due to lack of height and practice, I seem to remember carrying the cross at a rather dangerous angle. Somewhere in the archives of what was the Hoylake News and Advertiser, there is a very poor photograph of me coming down the chancel steps with it. Thankfully, it’s difficult to recognise me.

    • says

      Hi Meridel,
      Just received an EMail from one of my “admirers” and thought that you would be ideal to comment on an extract from her missive….
      “When I lived in Hoylake I went three times a day to the Trinity Parish Church [ since to my horror had been demolished ,although the churchyard [graves were still there[ about 14 years ago] I sat in the car and cried I was so upset as I had wanted to go inside. I sang in the choir in the evenings. maybe the mornings as well, but only remember the evening. I do not know if the Band of Hope had connections with the Church, but I had to sign a pledge to abstain from alchohol. I was just eleven years old, and had no idea what that meant ,but signed it anyway. A Mr and Mrs Clause took charge of it. I just loved it and them ,particularly Mrs Clause, she had grey hair, and I think was quite elderly, then of course anyone older than I was were in that age bracket] what did age matter then to a child only that older people looked after children. From Pat Nuttall. ”
      I can add that Pat and I both lived in Milton Road, Tranmere during the Blitz, and only recently met up to mull over our own “Landmine”. She would be delighted to receive any comments about her time at Holy Trinity.
      Ricky Cooper.

  76. Lyn Johnston says

    Hi Isobel

    Just saw your posting Re Herbert Eccles . I have him and his daughter Margaret Isobel on my tree. Can you please contact me for further info.
    thanks
    Lyn Johnston

  77. Jan Harris says

    I wonder if anyone can help me. I have just purchased an unsigned watercolour painting in an auction and on taking the back off there is a note saying painted by ???????? The Chase, Hoylake. By the style of writing it could be Victorian, Edwardian or pre-war. Does anyone have any ideas?
    Many thanks
    Jan Harris

    • Charles Morris says

      “The Chase” was a house in Barton Road, Hoylake, at the far end from King’s Gap on the right hand side; the third house back from Beech Road. It was demolished in the 1980s, I think, and no doubt flats have been built there since.

      In latter years it was occupied by a family named Speed (who had been there for at least two generations) and in the early 1920s by a Joseph S. Jones. Unfortunately I have no information prior to that.

      Best wishes,
      Charles Morris

      • Peter Wilson says

        Yes, my family lived in The Chase for the first 4.5 years of my life before moving to Curzon Road. It was a large house and old Mr & Mrs Speed lived in the left hand wing and the younger Speeds (Pat, Eileen and their children Sue, Pam & Debbie) lived in the right hand wing whilst my family who were close friends of the Speed family lived in the central 2-storey part.

        Old maps show that this is one of the oldest properties in Hoylake. Originally built as hunting lodges there were two single-storey buildings later connected by a 2-storey Victorian extension. There were two huge terraced lawns leading to the beach with a roofed wartime pill box, some remnant sand dunes and a horse paddock and wooded areas plus extensive front gardens and circular drive.There were lovely sandstone gate posts now also lost and 2 lodge houses which survive although much altered but sadly that is almost all that remains of this lovely old property and its extensive grounds.

        As Charles said The Chase was lost in the mid1980s – even the name of the property was erased with the cul-de-sac of detached homes with which it was replaced being named Barton Close. However, I believe the modern faux property built on the site of the original and much prettier coach house has since adopted the name.

        So sad that these mini-estates which were so characteristic of Hoylake were lost – The Gap, The Dale and Sandhey being other examples.

  78. says

    Does anyone have a photograph of 31a Market Street when it was ‘The Gem’ sweetshop, newsagents & tobacconists? I am also looking for a photograph when it was the old Gatehouse if possible.

    Thanks

    Kate

  79. brian says

    Are you the same Ruth Rowlands who married a RAF guy who was a parachute instructor and you visited him at the RAF camp hospital at West Kirby, I think it was around 1958

    • says

      Ruth Treece replies: Yes I am that Ruth Rowlands. There has been a lot of water under the bridge since then. I am trying to remember you? I knew several Brians’. at about that time.

  80. says

    Hi, what a very interesting site! I live in Manchester with family ties in Hoylake and West kirby. My great grandad was James Maddran, who came from Cornwall with his wife Jane. Family folklore has it that they travelled by boat to West Kirby and Jane refused to go any further! He was the foreman in charge of building the sea wall.
    Jane opened a shop at 22 Lee Road Hoylake, and it stayed in the family for many years. Eventually 2sisters Eliza and Nan ran the sweetie shop until they died.
    There were lots of sisters and brothers, Edie married Frank Watson and they ran a bakery in West Kirby. My gran Ethel married Joseph Leay in Hoylake, her sister Jane was killed in a laundry accident when she was 14.
    Mum was born in Boulton Avenue West Kirby in 1928. Mum is now very ill in hospital with Alzeimers.
    A few family members are coming to West Kirby soon to take some photos of where she lived and of Grange Hill where she played. Maybe she will remember her happy childhood by the sea.

    • Gordon Evans says

      Hi Christine

      If (as I suspect) your LEAY line traces back to a joiner William LEAY, born 1827 in Birkenhead, then there’s a distinct probability that you and I are distantly blood-related – 10th cousins in fact.

      You appear to feature in my much-extended family tree as an 8 x great-grand niece to Thomas WILSON (b1663 Burton), who was Bishop of Sodor & Man from 1697 until his death in 1755.

      Contact me off-list if you’d like further details :- gordonwevans@btinternet.com

      PS. Is your mum nee Joan E LEAY, born 1930 in Hoylake?

  81. John Curd Rmn Rn Couns REP UK says

    I had friends in the Hoylake and West Kirby District. If anyone knows or have the latest information about them let me know maybe after 40 years we could exchange Greetings. I dont live in Prescot or Childwall anymore but have been finishing my nursing career in Southport. names of friends: Tom and Margaret Dixon. Sylvia Margaret (Dixon) Jones, Terence and Dorothy Maunder West Kirby Lions..

  82. Ricky Cooper says

    Hi All,
    Just been nosing through the “lodged” records of Holy Trinity – and found this – regarding the Bethel at the bottom of Trinity |Road :–
    “Lease for 10 years (Counterpart) P80/9/4 7 Dec. 1905
    Contents:
    1. David Houston of 23 Erskine St., Liverpool, 2. Geraldine Paul, wife of Frank Thomas Paul of the ‘Anchorage’, Prussia Road, Hoylake, and 3. Francis Sanders of Hoylake Vicarage, clerk in Holy Orders. No. 86 Church Road, Hoylake.
    Premises leased by 1 to 2 for use as a ‘Fishermans Bethel or Mission House’.
    Rent: £20.
    Witness W. J. Crumpton of Hoylake, solicitor”
    So, I think that this Document determines the “Fisherman’s Bethel” officially.
    Ricky Cooper.

  83. Ricky Cooper says

    Hi All,
    Further nosing through Holy Trinity Churchyard Records, (some copies of which I have held for some 10 years).
    I noticed that each grave MI was annotated by a code.
    For example:– A letter, a number, and another number [ such as D12,15 and J7.9 and E4,16 ].
    I was surprised to find 13 COOPER graves containing 32 People !
    Can anyone decipher this code ? Perhaps it may be shown on the Holy Trinity Grave Plan (which I last saw in St Hildeburgh’s ten years ago ) ?

    Ricky Cooper.

  84. Louise Middleton (nee woods) says

    Hi Ricky and Mandy , my grandad was James William Woods and was the son of Ellen woods who married James Piercey in 1914. My dad is Colin woods. I think we are related in some way?
    We know little about the family -could you tell us any more about it as we are very interested to learn more.

    Regards

    Louise Middleton

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